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Yeah, the challenge always seems to building privacy technologies that people are actually willing to pay for. The one trove of public data that folks seem rea

by blintz 4y ago

Yeah, the challenge always seems to building privacy technologies that people are actually willing to pay for. The one trove of public data that folks seem really eager to access in a metadata-private way seems to be blockchain data. As someone who was not really a blockchain person, I've been really pleasantly surprised by how much interest people in that field take in our tech. In the short run, we are definitely focused on this area. I do think there are significant applications beyond that though: I am really personally excited by metadata-private messaging/email and sensitive datasets (financial data, medicine/health data, cybersecurity data).

teleforce 4y ago
Thanks for the article, really interesting read, most likely your startup will be successful and all the best! I think the killer application for homomorphic encryption (HE) will be on the regulated and sensitive data as you have mentioned. In healthcare, high accuracy machine learning requires massive datasets and it is difficult to get your hands on the data mainly due to privacy concerns. If HE can make data available to be analyzed without compromising the patients' anonymity it will be a game changer and perhaps can relax on the accessibility of the sensitive clinical data in the near future. Just wondering, can we not achieve similar privacy using secret sharing (SS) cryptography for anonymity? With (SS) unlike HE, you can perform arbitrary calculations in the encrypted domain [2]. [1]How to Share a Secret: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31817716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31817716 [2]Secure multi-party computation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_multi-party_computation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_multi-party_computati...
- blintz 4y ago
  Yeah, a lot of cool folks are working on doing ML on encrypted data (Zama, Enveil, Duality). It's a really challenging problem, and I think it will take a big, well-funded team to get working well. We're partly interested in PIR because it's much more tractable, and we are able to make really significant progress on it as a scrappy two-man team. Multi-party computation is also a cool piece of technology. I think that I was always drawn to HE because it involves a completely trustless relationship with the server; in MPC, there's more a of a "m/n parties don't collude" assumption, that can be tricky to implement in practice. (Also side note: you can in theory perform arbitrary computation on encrypted data using FHE; the performance impact is really significant, like 100-10000x, but you can perform unlimited computation). Surprisingly, these two concepts (MPC and HE) work quite well when combined! There are some computations each is suited to computing efficiently (linear for HE, non-linear for MPC), so when combined for ML, you get really good results. See this landmark paper and the follow on work: https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/073.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/073.pdf.
- Grimburger 4y ago
  > high accuracy machine learning requires massive datasets and it is difficult to get your hands on the data mainly due to privacy concerns. If HE can make data available to be analyzed without compromising the patients' anonymity FHE is painfully slow. The only real domains it can work realistically are for very simple computations. You are putting the cart miles ahead of the donkey here.
fragmede 4y ago
Privacy minded IoT device backends and womens fertility tracking apps could both use HE backends, and aren’t huge amounts of data either

by blintz 4y ago

teleforce 4y ago

Thanks for the article, really interesting read, most likely your startup will be successful and all the best! I think the killer application for homomorphic encryption (HE) will be on the regulated and sensitive data as you have mentioned. In healthcare, high accuracy machine learning requires massive datasets and it is difficult to get your hands on the data mainly due to privacy concerns. If HE can make data available to be analyzed without compromising the patients' anonymity it will be a game changer and perhaps can relax on the accessibility of the sensitive clinical data in the near future. Just wondering, can we not achieve similar privacy using secret sharing (SS) cryptography for anonymity? With (SS) unlike HE, you can perform arbitrary calculations in the encrypted domain [2]. [1]How to Share a Secret: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31817716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31817716 [2]Secure multi-party computation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_multi-party_computation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_multi-party_computati...

blintz 4y ago
Yeah, a lot of cool folks are working on doing ML on encrypted data (Zama, Enveil, Duality). It's a really challenging problem, and I think it will take a big, well-funded team to get working well. We're partly interested in PIR because it's much more tractable, and we are able to make really significant progress on it as a scrappy two-man team. Multi-party computation is also a cool piece of technology. I think that I was always drawn to HE because it involves a completely trustless relationship with the server; in MPC, there's more a of a "m/n parties don't collude" assumption, that can be tricky to implement in practice. (Also side note: you can in theory perform arbitrary computation on encrypted data using FHE; the performance impact is really significant, like 100-10000x, but you can perform unlimited computation). Surprisingly, these two concepts (MPC and HE) work quite well when combined! There are some computations each is suited to computing efficiently (linear for HE, non-linear for MPC), so when combined for ML, you get really good results. See this landmark paper and the follow on work: https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/073.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/073.pdf.
Grimburger 4y ago
> high accuracy machine learning requires massive datasets and it is difficult to get your hands on the data mainly due to privacy concerns. If HE can make data available to be analyzed without compromising the patients' anonymity FHE is painfully slow. The only real domains it can work realistically are for very simple computations. You are putting the cart miles ahead of the donkey here.

fragmede 4y ago

Privacy minded IoT device backends and womens fertility tracking apps could both use HE backends, and aren’t huge amounts of data either