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> Hans is known to have cheated Do you have a link to this? Proof that this player has cheated in the past would be the strongest evidence, I believe, he'd do

by geertj 4y ago

> Hans is known to have cheated Do you have a link to this? Proof that this player has cheated in the past would be the strongest evidence, I believe, he'd do so again.

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sentientslug 4y ago
Niemann during an interview admitted to having cheated in the past
jdthedisciple 4y ago
This is not disputed, he has admitted to it himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU6UJz_X8DU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU6UJz_X8DU
casion 4y ago
He admitted to having previously cheated. The admission happened during the Sinquefeld cup, on stream, during the event. Having cheated in prior history is not a question, but the extent and recency of the behavior is.
- sixothree 4y ago
  I don't know if there's data but people who have cheated in the past often seem to cheat in the future. Having watched some videos about the state of speed-running video games lately intersected with how gambling cheaters seems to never stop cheating supports that.
tradertef 4y ago
He admits to cheating in the video linked below. However, that's when he was 12 (and 16) and his friend helped. It is much more different situation then anal beads or electronics in your shoe. Disclaimer: don't know much about chess, let alone professional chess.
- PKop 4y ago
  And chess.com and Magnus have disputed that Hans has admitted to all of the times he has cheated.
  - mccorrinall 4y ago
    Then they should just provide evidence instead of allegations. Innocent until proven guilty.
    - KvanteKat 4y ago
      The fundamental asummetry at play here is that cheating is a lot easier than detecting cheaters in modern chess. As such, I'm not sure insisting on people shutting up unless they can provide ironclad evidence won't just lead to professional chess becoming rife with cheaters (which is presumably the "existential threat" to proffessional chess that Carlsen reffers to in his statement). I admit that it is a trickly problem, and I agree that Carlsen's behavior here is not beyond reproach. Withdrawing from the tournament only after having lost a game makes the statement much less impactfull since one can not discount the possibility that he's just being a rather sore looser. I would personally have respected his decision much more if he had followed his impulse (again, referred to in his statement) to withdraw as soon as Niemann had been invited to the tournament in the first place.
- lupire 4y ago
  Also his coach was caught cheating in a titled tournament on chess.com

by geertj 4y ago

> Hans is known to have cheated Do you have a link to this? Proof that this player has cheated in the past would be the strongest evidence, I believe, he'd do so again.

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sentientslug 4y ago

Niemann during an interview admitted to having cheated in the past

jdthedisciple 4y ago

This is not disputed, he has admitted to it himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU6UJz_X8DU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU6UJz_X8DU

casion 4y ago

He admitted to having previously cheated. The admission happened during the Sinquefeld cup, on stream, during the event. Having cheated in prior history is not a question, but the extent and recency of the behavior is.

sixothree 4y ago
I don't know if there's data but people who have cheated in the past often seem to cheat in the future. Having watched some videos about the state of speed-running video games lately intersected with how gambling cheaters seems to never stop cheating supports that.

tradertef 4y ago

He admits to cheating in the video linked below. However, that's when he was 12 (and 16) and his friend helped. It is much more different situation then anal beads or electronics in your shoe. Disclaimer: don't know much about chess, let alone professional chess.

PKop 4y ago
And chess.com and Magnus have disputed that Hans has admitted to all of the times he has cheated.
- mccorrinall 4y ago
  Then they should just provide evidence instead of allegations. Innocent until proven guilty.
  - KvanteKat 4y ago
    The fundamental asummetry at play here is that cheating is a lot easier than detecting cheaters in modern chess. As such, I'm not sure insisting on people shutting up unless they can provide ironclad evidence won't just lead to professional chess becoming rife with cheaters (which is presumably the "existential threat" to proffessional chess that Carlsen reffers to in his statement). I admit that it is a trickly problem, and I agree that Carlsen's behavior here is not beyond reproach. Withdrawing from the tournament only after having lost a game makes the statement much less impactfull since one can not discount the possibility that he's just being a rather sore looser. I would personally have respected his decision much more if he had followed his impulse (again, referred to in his statement) to withdraw as soon as Niemann had been invited to the tournament in the first place.
lupire 4y ago
Also his coach was caught cheating in a titled tournament on chess.com