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> This will 100% require lying or being non-transparent at some point. Are you ok with employees and reports reciprocating by lying to you as well.

citizenpaul 4y ago
Yes. FYI They will lie to you regardless.
- random314 4y ago
  My reports have lied to me very rarely, and I have never had to lie to my reports. For the reports that lied to me, I managed them out of my team irrespective of their work performance. I have quit jobs where my manager lied to me. It is really really easy to tell when someone is lying. You seem to live in some alternate dystopia where everyone lies to each other. How many of the companies that you have worked at have gone under?
  - kelnos 4y ago
    Yeah I'm really confused about this guy. I get that the world is not black and white, and conditions aren't always ideal... but I absolutely do not put up with the kind of dishonesty he's seemingly advocating. Perhaps not everyone has the luxury to be so picky, but... damn, I really have not gotten the impression (in my experience, and in the experience of friends and acquaintances) that this sort of bullshit is that common. At least not at successful, healthy companies.
- light_hue_1 4y ago
  > Yes. FYI They will lie to you regardless. If you create a culture where you lie, then people will lie to you. If you create a culture where you are honest, people will be honest back to you. There's nothing more powerful than going to your team and saying "Look, I fucked this up. I need your help". Honesty is disarming. I'm in a field where I manage scientists. If people start to lie to me or even start to bend the truth a little, we will waste years chasing ghosts. The people that work for me are very savvy at figuring out what I think might be true and they can always present just the right data to make me happy. I had to learn early on that I need to be really explicit: we need to do good work, it doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong, it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, all that matters is progress. So no. Your employees don't need to lie to you. Mine come to me regularly and explain what went wrong. Judgement-free. And we do deep dives to prevent problems in the future. You are causing the problems, not them.
  - tonyarkles 4y ago
    > So no. Your employees don't need to lie to you. Mine come to me regularly and explain what went wrong. Judgement-free. And we do deep dives to prevent problems in the future. I had a junior EE come and find me while I was on a smoke break to immediately inform me that he had mixed up two connectors and had accidentally put 48V into a piece of kit that could only handle 12V, resulting in $10k worth of blue smoke. That’s what a high trust engineering org looks like. He could have lied about it, I didn’t see it happen, “I dunno I went to reboot it and it didn’t power back on”. That’s what I want to see. He was open and honest with me because I don’t feed him bullshit.

citizenpaul 4y ago

Yes. FYI They will lie to you regardless.

random314 4y ago
My reports have lied to me very rarely, and I have never had to lie to my reports. For the reports that lied to me, I managed them out of my team irrespective of their work performance. I have quit jobs where my manager lied to me. It is really really easy to tell when someone is lying. You seem to live in some alternate dystopia where everyone lies to each other. How many of the companies that you have worked at have gone under?
- kelnos 4y ago
  Yeah I'm really confused about this guy. I get that the world is not black and white, and conditions aren't always ideal... but I absolutely do not put up with the kind of dishonesty he's seemingly advocating. Perhaps not everyone has the luxury to be so picky, but... damn, I really have not gotten the impression (in my experience, and in the experience of friends and acquaintances) that this sort of bullshit is that common. At least not at successful, healthy companies.
light_hue_1 4y ago
> Yes. FYI They will lie to you regardless. If you create a culture where you lie, then people will lie to you. If you create a culture where you are honest, people will be honest back to you. There's nothing more powerful than going to your team and saying "Look, I fucked this up. I need your help". Honesty is disarming. I'm in a field where I manage scientists. If people start to lie to me or even start to bend the truth a little, we will waste years chasing ghosts. The people that work for me are very savvy at figuring out what I think might be true and they can always present just the right data to make me happy. I had to learn early on that I need to be really explicit: we need to do good work, it doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong, it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, all that matters is progress. So no. Your employees don't need to lie to you. Mine come to me regularly and explain what went wrong. Judgement-free. And we do deep dives to prevent problems in the future. You are causing the problems, not them.
- tonyarkles 4y ago
  > So no. Your employees don't need to lie to you. Mine come to me regularly and explain what went wrong. Judgement-free. And we do deep dives to prevent problems in the future. I had a junior EE come and find me while I was on a smoke break to immediately inform me that he had mixed up two connectors and had accidentally put 48V into a piece of kit that could only handle 12V, resulting in $10k worth of blue smoke. That’s what a high trust engineering org looks like. He could have lied about it, I didn’t see it happen, “I dunno I went to reboot it and it didn’t power back on”. That’s what I want to see. He was open and honest with me because I don’t feed him bullshit.