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> fall into general disrepute like baseball or billiards Could you elaborate, especially on billiards? I had heard a 99PI episode about baseball cheating, but

> fall into general disrepute like baseball or billiards Could you elaborate, especially on billiards? I had heard a 99PI episode about baseball cheating, but thought it was more isolated incidents and not general disrepute. I enjoy playing pool but know nothing about the professional scene or cheating.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
I don't know about high-level billiards, but low level billiards is basically synonymous with hustling and cheating (aka sharking.) Pool sharking is so widespread and infamous, I think it casts the entire sport in a sleazy light. With baseball, a lot of high level players have gotten caught or admitted it, and have said that it's widespread. Jose Canseco admitted to cheating and claimed as much as 80% of players use steroids. He specifically accused Alex Rodriquez, which was later proven true. Allegations like these from admitted/caught cheats might be attempts to justify themselves, but personally I think cheating is and has been rampant in baseball for a very long time. It's still fun to watch though.
- SamReidHughes 4y ago
  Steroid use wasn't banned by the MLB until after Canseco's career.
  - areyousure 4y ago
    In case anyone is curious, Canseco played in the MLB from 1985 to 2001. It is unclear when the MLB banned steroids, but some possible years include 1990--1991, 1997, or somewhere around 2003--2005. Note, however, that steroid use was made effectively illegal on a federal level in the United States in 1990. The 1991 date above references a memo from the commissioner that states that illegal drugs are "strictly prohibited". Steroids are mentioned explicitly, though they do not have to be, seeing as how they were in fact illegal. You can read the memo here: https://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/format/memos20051109 https://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/format/memos20051109
toast0 4y ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ySBtVLCYA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ySBtVLCYA
StanislavPetrov 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KND8JCBtkbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KND8JCBtkbY

MichaelCollins 4y ago

I don't know about high-level billiards, but low level billiards is basically synonymous with hustling and cheating (aka sharking.) Pool sharking is so widespread and infamous, I think it casts the entire sport in a sleazy light. With baseball, a lot of high level players have gotten caught or admitted it, and have said that it's widespread. Jose Canseco admitted to cheating and claimed as much as 80% of players use steroids. He specifically accused Alex Rodriquez, which was later proven true. Allegations like these from admitted/caught cheats might be attempts to justify themselves, but personally I think cheating is and has been rampant in baseball for a very long time. It's still fun to watch though.

SamReidHughes 4y ago
Steroid use wasn't banned by the MLB until after Canseco's career.
- areyousure 4y ago
  In case anyone is curious, Canseco played in the MLB from 1985 to 2001. It is unclear when the MLB banned steroids, but some possible years include 1990--1991, 1997, or somewhere around 2003--2005. Note, however, that steroid use was made effectively illegal on a federal level in the United States in 1990. The 1991 date above references a memo from the commissioner that states that illegal drugs are "strictly prohibited". Steroids are mentioned explicitly, though they do not have to be, seeing as how they were in fact illegal. You can read the memo here: https://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/format/memos20051109 https://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/format/memos20051109

toast0 4y ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ySBtVLCYA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ySBtVLCYA

StanislavPetrov 4y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KND8JCBtkbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KND8JCBtkbY