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>Quite weird to compare infrastructure of a static frontend to a backend with db and stuff? I suppose you don't know what you're talking about, but Next.js is

>Quite weird to compare infrastructure of a static frontend to a backend with db and stuff? I suppose you don't know what you're talking about, but Next.js is a backend and frontend supporting a wide variety of data sources. I personally like using Prisma and postgres with my Next.Js deployments. I'm literally rolling out a full stack database connected react app in minutes that includes a full functional API that can be accessed by a variety of clients.

matsemann 4y ago
But then you suddenly have complexity again. In your various comments here you're talking about ten different tools and concepts being woven together. It's only fast for you because you've done it before. Not inherently faster than OP's approach. Like, I can spin up a k8s cluster faster than I can even understand what parts of Nextjs I should use. Doesn't mean that me selecting k8s is the best choice for all problems.
criley2 4y ago
What are you talking about? That's not complexity, those are out of the box features that come with a single script run (create next app or create t3 app) Vercel will even launch that for you without a script, just a button click. Five minutes to launch with my preferred stack, though. And if we're really racing, Railway.app can spin up deployments AND databases in under 60 seconds. If I tried a speed run, I could get the time down. If OP can hand configure a python app running on ngnix in manually managed DO droplets in 5 minutes... good on them! The greatest devops of our era. Also -- I guarantee that a newbie developer can launch a nextjs app faster than hand rolling some DO droplet with python and other technologies. I guarantee I can have a newbie in a bootcamp with a working app on day1 (since it's literally a button click, if we want), while I doubt you could get that newbie out of a bootcamp on his stack at all.
- matsemann 4y ago
  Why so hostile in your comments? It's not a competition about being the fastest. If anything, it only shows immaturity on your part. Time spent setting up a project is negligible compared to other things surrounding it. You're anyways missing my point. Nextjs isn't a silver bullet, nothing is. And that how long it takes to set up a project is a function of familiarity with the stack. Edit: thanks for deleting all your personal attacks on me. But also remember, I'm not the one claiming to know everything here (as you wrote in your now deleted post), you're the one that critiqued OP.
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  - criley2 4y ago
    - dang 4y ago
      Please don't do this sort of tit-for-tat flamewar (or any flamewar) on HN. It's tedious, nasty, and not what this site is for. We've had to ask you this kind of thing before. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't do this sort of tit-for-tat flamewar (or any flamewar) on HN. It's tedious, nasty, and not what this site is for. We've had to ask you this kind of thing before. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
    - matsemann 4y ago
      I honestly don't believe I did that in this instance. I felt I argued on technical merits. If you can find their deleted post (not their flagged posts, but a deleted one), you'll see my responses were quite level headed in comparison. After I read that one, asking why they were so hostile feels justified (and quite weak in comparison) on my end.
      - dang 4y ago
        I'm not saying your comments were symmetrical, but (a) you kept the flamewar going, which the site guidelines explicitly ask commenters not to do here; and (b) once people start arguing about what they are or are not saying, or feel compelled to include swipes like "Why so hostile in your comments?", "If anything, it only shows immaturity on your part", "You're anyways missing my point", it's clear that the thread has degenerated into the tit-for-tat state.
- cutler 4y ago
  Why stop there? Why not ditch Next.js altogether and teach your bootcamp students low-code?
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  - criley2 4y ago
    Why stop there? Why not ditch computers and teach my bootcamp students to farm? Because nextjs is an industry standard technology letting small teams rollout complex and great apps in record setting time, used by dozens of major corporations, hundreds of start-ups, and is a wonderful addition to any resume, and a proven way to get your next job.

matsemann 4y ago

But then you suddenly have complexity again. In your various comments here you're talking about ten different tools and concepts being woven together. It's only fast for you because you've done it before. Not inherently faster than OP's approach. Like, I can spin up a k8s cluster faster than I can even understand what parts of Nextjs I should use. Doesn't mean that me selecting k8s is the best choice for all problems.

criley2 4y ago

What are you talking about? That's not complexity, those are out of the box features that come with a single script run (create next app or create t3 app) Vercel will even launch that for you without a script, just a button click. Five minutes to launch with my preferred stack, though. And if we're really racing, Railway.app can spin up deployments AND databases in under 60 seconds. If I tried a speed run, I could get the time down. If OP can hand configure a python app running on ngnix in manually managed DO droplets in 5 minutes... good on them! The greatest devops of our era. Also -- I guarantee that a newbie developer can launch a nextjs app faster than hand rolling some DO droplet with python and other technologies. I guarantee I can have a newbie in a bootcamp with a working app on day1 (since it's literally a button click, if we want), while I doubt you could get that newbie out of a bootcamp on his stack at all.

matsemann 4y ago
Why so hostile in your comments? It's not a competition about being the fastest. If anything, it only shows immaturity on your part. Time spent setting up a project is negligible compared to other things surrounding it. You're anyways missing my point. Nextjs isn't a silver bullet, nothing is. And that how long it takes to set up a project is a function of familiarity with the stack. Edit: thanks for deleting all your personal attacks on me. But also remember, I'm not the one claiming to know everything here (as you wrote in your now deleted post), you're the one that critiqued OP.
- deleted 4y ago
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- criley2 4y ago
  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't do this sort of tit-for-tat flamewar (or any flamewar) on HN. It's tedious, nasty, and not what this site is for. We've had to ask you this kind of thing before. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't do this sort of tit-for-tat flamewar (or any flamewar) on HN. It's tedious, nasty, and not what this site is for. We've had to ask you this kind of thing before. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - matsemann 4y ago
    I honestly don't believe I did that in this instance. I felt I argued on technical merits. If you can find their deleted post (not their flagged posts, but a deleted one), you'll see my responses were quite level headed in comparison. After I read that one, asking why they were so hostile feels justified (and quite weak in comparison) on my end.
    - dang 4y ago
      I'm not saying your comments were symmetrical, but (a) you kept the flamewar going, which the site guidelines explicitly ask commenters not to do here; and (b) once people start arguing about what they are or are not saying, or feel compelled to include swipes like "Why so hostile in your comments?", "If anything, it only shows immaturity on your part", "You're anyways missing my point", it's clear that the thread has degenerated into the tit-for-tat state.
cutler 4y ago
Why stop there? Why not ditch Next.js altogether and teach your bootcamp students low-code?
- deleted 4y ago
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- criley2 4y ago
  Why stop there? Why not ditch computers and teach my bootcamp students to farm? Because nextjs is an industry standard technology letting small teams rollout complex and great apps in record setting time, used by dozens of major corporations, hundreds of start-ups, and is a wonderful addition to any resume, and a proven way to get your next job.