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Enough with the fiction that cheating is a mistake, or that a 16 year old smart enough to be a chess grandmaster is simultaneously so underdeveloped that they h

Enough with the fiction that cheating is a mistake, or that a 16 year old smart enough to be a chess grandmaster is simultaneously so underdeveloped that they have not learned the consequences of cheating. Your comparison with murder is ridiculous. First of all, teenage murderers are regularly sentenced to life in prison. A murderer is deprived of fundamental human liberties--Niemann is deprived of being able to compete at the highest competitive level in a tabletop board game, without suspicion.

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
He cheated online on a second rate chess site. Nobody has any explanations how he could do it over the board. (Considering that people become more or less aware about their responsibilities and consequences of their actions at about 15 yo, he is now 4 times the responsible age he was at 16.)
- jobs_throwaway 4y ago
  > Nobody has any explanations how he could do it over the board. If you believe this, its because you aren't looking. There's tons of explanations online of how it could be possible. Go look at /r/chess.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
    Tournament organizers and FIDE were pretty adamant that no cheating took place and that anti cheating measures were adequate.
    - dane-pgp 4y ago
      To concede that cheating took place would mean that they had failed in their responsibility to stop it happening, and that somehow their method of detection only worked after the cheating was happening, rather than during or before. For those two reasons, I think that any such "pretty adamant" statement can be discounted.
    - gsinclair 4y ago
      They said no evidence was found, not that no cheating took place. (After all, it would most likely be very hard to detect.) And the anti cheating measures were upped after Carlsen quit; therefore they were not adequate in the first place.
      - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
        If you decide to twist their statement this way, two can play the game. How about this: "No evidence was found that Magnus Carlsen was cheating. It does not mean no cheating took place in his championship matches." Does that seem fair or reasonable to you? Sure no man can be as good as Magnus, he is clearly cheating in some clear undetected way, right?
  - roflyear 4y ago
    "random redditors say it!"
    - jobs_throwaway 4y ago
      "nobody"
kjerkegor 4y ago
> First of all, teenage murderers are regularly sentenced to life in prison Maybe in USA. In Europe some countries even have special sentences for young adults (older than 18 less than 21). Here's for Germany: "The maximum penalty for any crime committed by a person under 18 (or a young adult under 21 who is treated as a juvenile) is 10 years"
- bombcar 4y ago
  Fagin here, wondering what crime a child could commit that would get millions of dollars in resultant profit ...
roflyear 4y ago
He wasn't GM at 16. He was awarded the GM title last year. Why make up stuff?

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago

He cheated online on a second rate chess site. Nobody has any explanations how he could do it over the board. (Considering that people become more or less aware about their responsibilities and consequences of their actions at about 15 yo, he is now 4 times the responsible age he was at 16.)

jobs_throwaway 4y ago
> Nobody has any explanations how he could do it over the board. If you believe this, its because you aren't looking. There's tons of explanations online of how it could be possible. Go look at /r/chess.
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
  Tournament organizers and FIDE were pretty adamant that no cheating took place and that anti cheating measures were adequate.
  - dane-pgp 4y ago
    To concede that cheating took place would mean that they had failed in their responsibility to stop it happening, and that somehow their method of detection only worked after the cheating was happening, rather than during or before. For those two reasons, I think that any such "pretty adamant" statement can be discounted.
  - gsinclair 4y ago
    They said no evidence was found, not that no cheating took place. (After all, it would most likely be very hard to detect.) And the anti cheating measures were upped after Carlsen quit; therefore they were not adequate in the first place.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
      If you decide to twist their statement this way, two can play the game. How about this: "No evidence was found that Magnus Carlsen was cheating. It does not mean no cheating took place in his championship matches." Does that seem fair or reasonable to you? Sure no man can be as good as Magnus, he is clearly cheating in some clear undetected way, right?
- roflyear 4y ago
  "random redditors say it!"
  - jobs_throwaway 4y ago
    "nobody"

kjerkegor 4y ago

> First of all, teenage murderers are regularly sentenced to life in prison Maybe in USA. In Europe some countries even have special sentences for young adults (older than 18 less than 21). Here's for Germany: "The maximum penalty for any crime committed by a person under 18 (or a young adult under 21 who is treated as a juvenile) is 10 years"

bombcar 4y ago
Fagin here, wondering what crime a child could commit that would get millions of dollars in resultant profit ...

roflyear 4y ago

He wasn't GM at 16. He was awarded the GM title last year. Why make up stuff?