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Magnus is not doing this in the best possible way. If Hans is cheating (possible, especially given his past) Magnus should act and use his connections in the C

Magnus is not doing this in the best possible way. If Hans is cheating (possible, especially given his past) Magnus should act and use his connections in the Chess world to catch him cheating. Suspicion is not proof. Using his reputation as leverage can work to destroy Hans's reputation, but there is a high risk of collateral damages. He should be smarter than that.

onemoresoop 4y ago
It's a fools errand to try to catch your opponent cheating, they may not be in fact cheating and you're stressing out making your game worse. But general anti-cheating measures should be taken. What are those I don't know.
systemvoltage 4y ago
Signing the letter with "Magnus Carlson - World Chess Champion" had bad optics IMO.
- lvl102 4y ago
  Is he not the World Chess Champion? What's the problem then?
  - stephc_int13 4y ago
    He does not have to write it...
lvl102 4y ago
How do you think he can accomplish that exactly? You think they’re going to install hidden cameras everywhere?
- stale2002 4y ago
  Well, for over the board chess you can have highly sensitive metal detectors or x ray machines. And you have mave matches delaying the broadcast. Problem solved.
- asimpletune 4y ago
  I guess one way, it would be unethical but bear with me, is to wait until there is a very important, must-win scenario for Hans. Then, you have him think he's playing his opponent, but really he's playing Stockfish 15. If he draws, he's cheating. I know it's unethical, but what I'm saying is it's not impossible to catch someone cheating. Another idea I had is to telegraph different moves from a game, to a live broadcast. Imagine they just show their faces and then a 2d diagram of the board. Then you see what happens to his play. This only works assuming he's not using an implant or a thumper in his shoe.
krisoft 4y ago
> Magnus is not doing this in the best possible way. You are assuming that his goal is to somehow uncover Hans cheating. On the other hand if his goal is to highlight that in his opinion the security arrangements are not sufficient to be able to tell if an opponent is cheating or not, then he is doing that just right. He spoke up and the competition in question introduced anti-cheating measures right the next day. That means there were things they could have been doing but were not before. > Magnus should act and use his connections in the Chess world to catch him cheating. How do you propose that could happen? Life is not a TV show with Perry Mason moments.
- stephc_int13 4y ago
  People have been caught cheating in the past. Chess cheating is not black magic. Chess engines are an integral part of the Chess world now, players a training with them, to analyze and prepare. I would not be surprised if many players tried to "enhance" their rating online with such an engine. Chess.com probably has stats about this behavior. My gut feeling is that online cheating is very common, and thus, saying that someone was caught cheating online is not a very strong proof that he also did it over the board.

onemoresoop 4y ago

It's a fools errand to try to catch your opponent cheating, they may not be in fact cheating and you're stressing out making your game worse. But general anti-cheating measures should be taken. What are those I don't know.

systemvoltage 4y ago

Signing the letter with "Magnus Carlson - World Chess Champion" had bad optics IMO.

lvl102 4y ago
Is he not the World Chess Champion? What's the problem then?
- stephc_int13 4y ago
  He does not have to write it...

lvl102 4y ago

How do you think he can accomplish that exactly? You think they’re going to install hidden cameras everywhere?

stale2002 4y ago
Well, for over the board chess you can have highly sensitive metal detectors or x ray machines. And you have mave matches delaying the broadcast. Problem solved.
asimpletune 4y ago
I guess one way, it would be unethical but bear with me, is to wait until there is a very important, must-win scenario for Hans. Then, you have him think he's playing his opponent, but really he's playing Stockfish 15. If he draws, he's cheating. I know it's unethical, but what I'm saying is it's not impossible to catch someone cheating. Another idea I had is to telegraph different moves from a game, to a live broadcast. Imagine they just show their faces and then a 2d diagram of the board. Then you see what happens to his play. This only works assuming he's not using an implant or a thumper in his shoe.

krisoft 4y ago

> Magnus is not doing this in the best possible way. You are assuming that his goal is to somehow uncover Hans cheating. On the other hand if his goal is to highlight that in his opinion the security arrangements are not sufficient to be able to tell if an opponent is cheating or not, then he is doing that just right. He spoke up and the competition in question introduced anti-cheating measures right the next day. That means there were things they could have been doing but were not before. > Magnus should act and use his connections in the Chess world to catch him cheating. How do you propose that could happen? Life is not a TV show with Perry Mason moments.

stephc_int13 4y ago
People have been caught cheating in the past. Chess cheating is not black magic. Chess engines are an integral part of the Chess world now, players a training with them, to analyze and prepare. I would not be surprised if many players tried to "enhance" their rating online with such an engine. Chess.com probably has stats about this behavior. My gut feeling is that online cheating is very common, and thus, saying that someone was caught cheating online is not a very strong proof that he also did it over the board.