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Carlson should just challenge Niemann to a 30 game over the board televised match in their shorts (no shoes, no shirt) at Madison Square Garden. With the revenu

Carlson should just challenge Niemann to a 30 game over the board televised match in their shorts (no shoes, no shirt) at Madison Square Garden. With the revenue generated from ticket sales and advertising, they could both retire and international chess can put this episode behind them.

InitialLastName 4y ago
Everyone in the audience has to be in their shorts, and the players need to be surrounded by one-way mirrors otherwise someone in the audience could use a computer and signal the players.
- utopcell 4y ago
  And the air temperature should be controlled because someone may signal single-bit information otherwise.
  - InitialLastName 4y ago
    Be sure to pause train traffic through Penn Station, otherwise the Amtrak dispatcher could transmit seismic data depending on platform routing.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Now I want an Oceans 11 style movie where it’s chess cheating and the revealed method is insanely elaborate.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  And then a very noisy motorcycle drives by the stadium during a tense moment and everybody is left wondering, what if...
- vsareto 4y ago
  Remove all of the players' teeth because they could pick up Morse signals with fillings
Yizahi 4y ago
There are hidden headphones which can be inserted in the ear and contact ear drum directly. Totally invisible. And this is a mainstream cheap tech today, students use them at exams. Also in the public setting he wouldn't even need any device on him, he'll simply have an accomplice showing signs.
nindalf 4y ago
Doesn't really prevent the usage of vibrating anal beads (https://kotaku.com/chess-champion-anal-bead-magnus-carlsen-hans-niemann-1849542639 https://kotaku.com/chess-champion-anal-bead-magnus-carlsen-h...)
- Tao3300 4y ago
  Don't even need that. Niemann just has to make one ?! and that will be enough to rattle Magnus.
- beachy 4y ago
  I'm not goingto click that link, but this comment answers the first question I had in my mind.
- MisterSandman 4y ago
  To make things fair, both players will be encouraged to wear anal beads
- sen_armstrong 4y ago
  https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2022-06-26%202022-09-26&q=anal%20beads https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2022-06-26%202... https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&start=2022-06-27&end=2022-09-25&pages=Anal_beads https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&star... Nice.
TheAceOfHearts 4y ago
Inside a faraday cage, turn it into the world's first cage match.
qwertox 4y ago
Just make sure it takes long enough for any battery to drain.
insane_dreamer 4y ago
Carlson already has enough $ to retire, and he certainly would have nothing to gain from such a "spectacle for the masses". His place as #1 in the world (and arguably, history) is not threatened by Hans.
- Maursault 4y ago
  Fischer refused to play Karpov in 1975 and lost his World Champion title by default. Granted, Niemann is not Karpov, and no one is Fischer, and the situation was entirely different, but this is known as counter-example. The salient point is that if Carlson has a serious challenge to his title, he couldn't refuse to play and still keep his title.
tzs 4y ago
I can think of at least one way to cheat that would not be detectable by any of the screening methods I've seen suggested so far, but that only works if the cheaters can get reasonably private access to the venue before the match to hide some equipment. (I'm not going to go into details). Playing a match in a big venue like MSG that holds numerous other events would make doing this easier. There are concerts there for example that involve bands setting up a lot of equipment. Get some of your chess team members to take temporary jobs on the crews setting up some of those shows and you might have a good chance of sneaking your chess cheating equipment in. I think what you want to do with this kind of match is play each game in a different venue, and the players do not find out where the venue is until it is time for them to be taken there (on transportation arranged by the organizers) for the game. The player's teams are not told where the venue was until after the game. If a player is going to cheat then it has to be done via something entirely contained on/in the player. Maybe even have some of the games played on the move. E.g., the players are driven to an airport, board a chartered jet, and play their game in flight while the jet just flies around over a wide area.
- Maursault 4y ago
  > Get some of your chess team members to take temporary jobs on the crews setting up some of those shows Bands travel with their own crew, so they'd have to get hired on as a roadie (which is not unskilled labor) where ever the tour was put together. Not so simple, because once you see the date at MSG, it's way too late to get on that crew, and if they do get on a crew, how would they know they're going to play MSG before the manager does? I'm not certain, but I assume MSG is a union shop, so a local hire to work there would require joining the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (ISTSG), and being a productive member for years before having enough seniority to be able to choose where they want to work. Promoters and event organizers hire temps (you'll notice young people wearing black shirts with "SECURITY," emblazoned on them at shows, the only unskilled labor available), but the first time they'd get to be on location is during the event, and they have to work. While your plan sounds simple enough, the reality is it would not be possible even with years of preparation. You can volunteer in public theater or go to work for an event provider to further understand why, but I'll just tell you. There is too much competition from all the individuals that have made a career out of it as well as the exponentially larger group competing to land their career. How many chess team members have a degree in theater arts, film/video production, recording arts or communications? How many of these graduates do you think are able to make a career out of their degrees? It is insanely competitive. My understanding is to, say, get into set design at a venue in New York City, you'd need a Masters degree in set design and a metric shitton of luck.

InitialLastName 4y ago

Everyone in the audience has to be in their shorts, and the players need to be surrounded by one-way mirrors otherwise someone in the audience could use a computer and signal the players.

utopcell 4y ago
And the air temperature should be controlled because someone may signal single-bit information otherwise.
- InitialLastName 4y ago
  Be sure to pause train traffic through Penn Station, otherwise the Amtrak dispatcher could transmit seismic data depending on platform routing.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Now I want an Oceans 11 style movie where it’s chess cheating and the revealed method is insanely elaborate.
MichaelCollins 4y ago
And then a very noisy motorcycle drives by the stadium during a tense moment and everybody is left wondering, what if...
vsareto 4y ago
Remove all of the players' teeth because they could pick up Morse signals with fillings

Yizahi 4y ago

There are hidden headphones which can be inserted in the ear and contact ear drum directly. Totally invisible. And this is a mainstream cheap tech today, students use them at exams. Also in the public setting he wouldn't even need any device on him, he'll simply have an accomplice showing signs.

nindalf 4y ago

Doesn't really prevent the usage of vibrating anal beads (https://kotaku.com/chess-champion-anal-bead-magnus-carlsen-hans-niemann-1849542639 https://kotaku.com/chess-champion-anal-bead-magnus-carlsen-h...)

Tao3300 4y ago
Don't even need that. Niemann just has to make one ?! and that will be enough to rattle Magnus.
beachy 4y ago
I'm not goingto click that link, but this comment answers the first question I had in my mind.
MisterSandman 4y ago
To make things fair, both players will be encouraged to wear anal beads
sen_armstrong 4y ago
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2022-06-26%202022-09-26&q=anal%20beads https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2022-06-26%202... https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&start=2022-06-27&end=2022-09-25&pages=Anal_beads https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&star... Nice.

TheAceOfHearts 4y ago

Inside a faraday cage, turn it into the world's first cage match.

qwertox 4y ago

Just make sure it takes long enough for any battery to drain.

insane_dreamer 4y ago

Carlson already has enough $ to retire, and he certainly would have nothing to gain from such a "spectacle for the masses". His place as #1 in the world (and arguably, history) is not threatened by Hans.

Maursault 4y ago
Fischer refused to play Karpov in 1975 and lost his World Champion title by default. Granted, Niemann is not Karpov, and no one is Fischer, and the situation was entirely different, but this is known as counter-example. The salient point is that if Carlson has a serious challenge to his title, he couldn't refuse to play and still keep his title.

tzs 4y ago

I can think of at least one way to cheat that would not be detectable by any of the screening methods I've seen suggested so far, but that only works if the cheaters can get reasonably private access to the venue before the match to hide some equipment. (I'm not going to go into details). Playing a match in a big venue like MSG that holds numerous other events would make doing this easier. There are concerts there for example that involve bands setting up a lot of equipment. Get some of your chess team members to take temporary jobs on the crews setting up some of those shows and you might have a good chance of sneaking your chess cheating equipment in. I think what you want to do with this kind of match is play each game in a different venue, and the players do not find out where the venue is until it is time for them to be taken there (on transportation arranged by the organizers) for the game. The player's teams are not told where the venue was until after the game. If a player is going to cheat then it has to be done via something entirely contained on/in the player. Maybe even have some of the games played on the move. E.g., the players are driven to an airport, board a chartered jet, and play their game in flight while the jet just flies around over a wide area.

Maursault 4y ago
> Get some of your chess team members to take temporary jobs on the crews setting up some of those shows Bands travel with their own crew, so they'd have to get hired on as a roadie (which is not unskilled labor) where ever the tour was put together. Not so simple, because once you see the date at MSG, it's way too late to get on that crew, and if they do get on a crew, how would they know they're going to play MSG before the manager does? I'm not certain, but I assume MSG is a union shop, so a local hire to work there would require joining the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (ISTSG), and being a productive member for years before having enough seniority to be able to choose where they want to work. Promoters and event organizers hire temps (you'll notice young people wearing black shirts with "SECURITY," emblazoned on them at shows, the only unskilled labor available), but the first time they'd get to be on location is during the event, and they have to work. While your plan sounds simple enough, the reality is it would not be possible even with years of preparation. You can volunteer in public theater or go to work for an event provider to further understand why, but I'll just tell you. There is too much competition from all the individuals that have made a career out of it as well as the exponentially larger group competing to land their career. How many chess team members have a degree in theater arts, film/video production, recording arts or communications? How many of these graduates do you think are able to make a career out of their degrees? It is insanely competitive. My understanding is to, say, get into set design at a venue in New York City, you'd need a Masters degree in set design and a metric shitton of luck.