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Very interesting. Thanks for posting I'm sure that I will get downvoted to hell for saying it and that's not unreasonable, but there is definitely a part of me

by anm89 4y ago

Very interesting. Thanks for posting I'm sure that I will get downvoted to hell for saying it and that's not unreasonable, but there is definitely a part of me that sympathizes with the Russians (I'm not condoning the attrocities in Ukraine). Do we really expect the rest of the world to blindly follow our orders for the rest of history and just say please and thank you. It's not hard to see why Putin thinks going all in on leaving the petro-dollar system is in his interest and I think at the end of the day he's right. And atrocities are how these kinds of events unfold. It's easy for us as American's to call this out because we have a stable system built on the atrocities of earlier generations but let's be clear, If we didn't commit centuries of Genocide, we wouldn't have our standard of living that allows us to sit around and criticize any other country who wants the level of sovereignty that we take for granted. I don't see why that should be the unique privilege of the US. That being said, I'm happy to be sitting here writing this as a member of the winning team and I hope Russia loses.

NoPie 4y ago
There is no petro-dollar system. The world economy consists of many countries, it is complex and moved by different interests. Some people just want a simple, contrarian explanation (for example, Russia vs. the West) but it leads to strange worldviews that have little connection to the reality.
- anm89 4y ago
  Here's the European director of the IMF talking about petrodollar recycling (directly labeling it as petrodollar recycling). https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2015/09/28/04/53/sp032306a https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2015/09/28/04/53/sp0323... This isn't some kind of conspiracy
  - NoPie 4y ago
    It is when you talk about the petrodollar as something important globally. It definitely is not something you could call a system. Here is wikipedia for a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling “In reality, the use of dollars in international oil transactions increases overall U.S. dollar demand by only a tiny fraction, and the dollar's overall status as the major international reserve currency has relatively few tangible benefits for the United States economy as well as some drawbacks.[41][42]”
    - anm89 4y ago
      Sure, you can debate the semantics of system all you want. Totally unconvincing though
      - NoPie 4y ago
        Basically the IMF discusses how the countries who get a lot of foreign currency from selling oil, can use this money in the best way. While others theorize that this is a system that the west uses to subjugate them and therefore needs to be abolished. You can use the same terms and have completely different understanding. I don't see any evidence for the second theory.

by anm89 4y ago

NoPie 4y ago

There is no petro-dollar system. The world economy consists of many countries, it is complex and moved by different interests. Some people just want a simple, contrarian explanation (for example, Russia vs. the West) but it leads to strange worldviews that have little connection to the reality.

anm89 4y ago
Here's the European director of the IMF talking about petrodollar recycling (directly labeling it as petrodollar recycling). https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2015/09/28/04/53/sp032306a https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2015/09/28/04/53/sp0323... This isn't some kind of conspiracy
- NoPie 4y ago
  It is when you talk about the petrodollar as something important globally. It definitely is not something you could call a system. Here is wikipedia for a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling “In reality, the use of dollars in international oil transactions increases overall U.S. dollar demand by only a tiny fraction, and the dollar's overall status as the major international reserve currency has relatively few tangible benefits for the United States economy as well as some drawbacks.[41][42]”
  - anm89 4y ago
    Sure, you can debate the semantics of system all you want. Totally unconvincing though
    - NoPie 4y ago
      Basically the IMF discusses how the countries who get a lot of foreign currency from selling oil, can use this money in the best way. While others theorize that this is a system that the west uses to subjugate them and therefore needs to be abolished. You can use the same terms and have completely different understanding. I don't see any evidence for the second theory.