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> Crucially, people raise concerns about privacy and security, but they similarly fail to act on these concerns. People who throw rocks shouldn't live in glass

> Crucially, people raise concerns about privacy and security, but they similarly fail to act on these concerns. People who throw rocks shouldn't live in glass houses. Mobile client ads on the home screen, heavily pushed VPN service, forced integration with networked bookmark services, "experiments" that don't check for privacy issues, default search using Google, and a long history of being reactive, not proactive, when it comes to privacy issues - these are just a handful of the problems that Firefox is currently mishandling. Firefox is in many ways better than Chrome, Safari, and Edge, but it's not exactly a shining paragon of privacy and ethics either. I'd personally prefer that you clean up your house first, please.

make3 4y ago
isn't that whataboutism, they're still massively better in every aspect than all of their competitors, & are the only mobile browser that allows blocking ads
- falcolas 4y ago
  > isn't that whataboutism Perhaps, but I find it deeply hypocritical for them to be attacking others when they behave nearly as badly as well (tell me how I can uninstall pocket, not just hide it). > they're still massively better in every aspect than all of their competitors "in every aspect" Not in power consumption on MacOS, and not in development tools, when compared to Chrome. Just to name two. Plus, even if they were on top, being on top should never exclude them from criticism. > are the only mobile browser that allows blocking ads They are not, in particular on iOS. Safari, and by association all browsers on IOS, can block ads via content blockers.
- codehalo 4y ago
  Brave?
it_citizen 4y ago
One does not exclude the other. Asking participants of a discussion to be beyond most criticism before emitting an opinion would just maintain the status quo longer and kill the debate.
- falcolas 4y ago
  Hardly. A comparison and contrast of issues for all the primary browsers - and ranking what the biggest issues are within and between each platform - would be immensely valuable. The only thing that will kill the debate is if - like modern US politics - we're all too firmly entrenched in our own camps to accept another camp's point of view.

make3 4y ago

isn't that whataboutism, they're still massively better in every aspect than all of their competitors, & are the only mobile browser that allows blocking ads

falcolas 4y ago
> isn't that whataboutism Perhaps, but I find it deeply hypocritical for them to be attacking others when they behave nearly as badly as well (tell me how I can uninstall pocket, not just hide it). > they're still massively better in every aspect than all of their competitors "in every aspect" Not in power consumption on MacOS, and not in development tools, when compared to Chrome. Just to name two. Plus, even if they were on top, being on top should never exclude them from criticism. > are the only mobile browser that allows blocking ads They are not, in particular on iOS. Safari, and by association all browsers on IOS, can block ads via content blockers.
codehalo 4y ago
Brave?

it_citizen 4y ago

One does not exclude the other. Asking participants of a discussion to be beyond most criticism before emitting an opinion would just maintain the status quo longer and kill the debate.

falcolas 4y ago
Hardly. A comparison and contrast of issues for all the primary browsers - and ranking what the biggest issues are within and between each platform - would be immensely valuable. The only thing that will kill the debate is if - like modern US politics - we're all too firmly entrenched in our own camps to accept another camp's point of view.