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Right, so I was not suggesting that EVs will not last as long as ICE vehicles. It appears to be the opposite. The question is what kind of thing will cause an

Right, so I was not suggesting that EVs will not last as long as ICE vehicles. It appears to be the opposite. The question is what kind of thing will cause an EV to be EOL. I am thinking that it's not the battery at all. ICE cars have a healthy 3rd party ecosystem that keeps them going for a long time. As a design decision, EVs seem to be hostile to that concept, to the point that I think this is what will cause the vehicle to be scrapped rather than any other reason. Legislation may come around to address that issue, however.

Kirby64 4y ago
I'm not sure how the ecosystem that exists around ICE cars is comparable to an EV. Let's go down the list of parts: * Suspension components: Same between EV/ICE, no changes there * Brake components: Same between EV/ICE, no changes there * Tires/wheels: Same * Infotainment: Similar issues - unless you rip out the dash there's not really anything comparable in most modern ICE cars to replace it. It's all integrated and if that breaks you're hosed. * Motor/engine components: Nothing similar exists for EV space, but also maintenance requirements for EV motors is basically non-existent. * Battery components (on EV): Not a thing on ICE cars, but similar stuff has existed in Hybrids for awhile. 3rd parties do rebuilds of hybrid batteries already; there's people doing rebuilds of EV packs now too. What specifically do you think exists in the 3rd party ecosystem for ICE vehicles that doesn't for EVs? Batteries? Motor replacements?
- Spooky23 4y ago
  I think the problem is that people think Tesla vs. EV. Tesla is repair hostile. Because the software is the thing that matters, and the behavior of the software is exclusively controlled by the OEM, it’s not unreasonable to assume that the life or operation of the car will be impacted by manufacturer action. After all, Tesla has already made retroactive adjustments to range, etc in post-repair scenarios. What happens when Ford decides your rebuild is “unsafe?” Software is being used to bypass warranty law.

Kirby64 4y ago

I'm not sure how the ecosystem that exists around ICE cars is comparable to an EV. Let's go down the list of parts: * Suspension components: Same between EV/ICE, no changes there * Brake components: Same between EV/ICE, no changes there * Tires/wheels: Same * Infotainment: Similar issues - unless you rip out the dash there's not really anything comparable in most modern ICE cars to replace it. It's all integrated and if that breaks you're hosed. * Motor/engine components: Nothing similar exists for EV space, but also maintenance requirements for EV motors is basically non-existent. * Battery components (on EV): Not a thing on ICE cars, but similar stuff has existed in Hybrids for awhile. 3rd parties do rebuilds of hybrid batteries already; there's people doing rebuilds of EV packs now too. What specifically do you think exists in the 3rd party ecosystem for ICE vehicles that doesn't for EVs? Batteries? Motor replacements?

Spooky23 4y ago
I think the problem is that people think Tesla vs. EV. Tesla is repair hostile. Because the software is the thing that matters, and the behavior of the software is exclusively controlled by the OEM, it’s not unreasonable to assume that the life or operation of the car will be impacted by manufacturer action. After all, Tesla has already made retroactive adjustments to range, etc in post-repair scenarios. What happens when Ford decides your rebuild is “unsafe?” Software is being used to bypass warranty law.