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Snowden exposed disgusting stuff that the US government is probably still doing today (and probably doing even worst things now since this was exposed about 10

Snowden exposed disgusting stuff that the US government is probably still doing today (and probably doing even worst things now since this was exposed about 10 years ago)

aerostable_slug 4y ago
He also exposed a bunch of programs that were doing their jobs: collecting foreign intelligence. He could have accomplished his goal without doing that.
- croes 4y ago
  Oh, so wrong doing is okay as long it affects only foreign states, including allies? These people have rights too.
  - jonnybgood 4y ago
    This is a naive take on geopolitics. It’s par for the course of diplomacy and alliances.
    - croes 4y ago
      Just because it's customary doesn't make it right.
  - aerostable_slug 4y ago
    So an American aid worker gets taken hostage and we're not going to collect cell calls in Africa because that would violate the right to privacy of uninvolved Nigeriens? Really? And in foreign relations, it's best to remember the words of PM Henry Palmerstone in the British Parliament, 1848: “We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.
    - croes 4y ago
      Wrong example. If someone is taken hostage you collect the data of the suspects and in that area, you don't collect every data of everyone everytime Does your house get searched daily because a child is missing somewhere? I bet that approach would save more lives than collecting internet data. And the british aren't the best advisor for foreign relationships
      - aerostable_slug 4y ago
        The advantage to persistent surveillance with some buffer is the ability to go "back in time" to before the incident that caused one's attention to be on a certain area of, say, Niger. At the end of the day, I'm okay with surveilling others. I don't think it's morally wrong other countries do it to us (barring agreements otherwise). I have a problem when we do it to ourselves.
        croes 4y ago
        >I have a problem when we do it to ourselves. Why? US people kill more US people than any other nation. Seems more logical to keep yourselves under constant surveillance. Tight GPS tracking surely will help solving homicides.
        licebmi__at__ 4y ago
        >“Even in the Indiana Jones movies, there is a white guy who, ‘bang,’ shoots people, right? Japanese people who go along and enjoy with that are unbelievably embarrassing,” Miyazaki reportedly stated in a resurfaced interview. “You are the ones that, ‘bang,’ get shot. Watching [those movies] without any self-awareness is unbelievable. There’s no pride, no historical perspective.” Hayao Miyazaki.

Snowden exposed disgusting stuff that the US government is probably still doing today (and probably doing even worst things now since this was exposed about 10 years ago)

aerostable_slug 4y ago

He also exposed a bunch of programs that were doing their jobs: collecting foreign intelligence. He could have accomplished his goal without doing that.

croes 4y ago
Oh, so wrong doing is okay as long it affects only foreign states, including allies? These people have rights too.
- jonnybgood 4y ago
  This is a naive take on geopolitics. It’s par for the course of diplomacy and alliances.
  - croes 4y ago
    Just because it's customary doesn't make it right.
- aerostable_slug 4y ago
  So an American aid worker gets taken hostage and we're not going to collect cell calls in Africa because that would violate the right to privacy of uninvolved Nigeriens? Really? And in foreign relations, it's best to remember the words of PM Henry Palmerstone in the British Parliament, 1848: “We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.
  - croes 4y ago
    Wrong example. If someone is taken hostage you collect the data of the suspects and in that area, you don't collect every data of everyone everytime Does your house get searched daily because a child is missing somewhere? I bet that approach would save more lives than collecting internet data. And the british aren't the best advisor for foreign relationships
    - aerostable_slug 4y ago
      The advantage to persistent surveillance with some buffer is the ability to go "back in time" to before the incident that caused one's attention to be on a certain area of, say, Niger. At the end of the day, I'm okay with surveilling others. I don't think it's morally wrong other countries do it to us (barring agreements otherwise). I have a problem when we do it to ourselves.
      - croes 4y ago
        >I have a problem when we do it to ourselves. Why? US people kill more US people than any other nation. Seems more logical to keep yourselves under constant surveillance. Tight GPS tracking surely will help solving homicides.
      - licebmi__at__ 4y ago
        >“Even in the Indiana Jones movies, there is a white guy who, ‘bang,’ shoots people, right? Japanese people who go along and enjoy with that are unbelievably embarrassing,” Miyazaki reportedly stated in a resurfaced interview. “You are the ones that, ‘bang,’ get shot. Watching [those movies] without any self-awareness is unbelievable. There’s no pride, no historical perspective.” Hayao Miyazaki.