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It seems like learning how to learn and learning what matters in the world (and therein how to be happy) are the two most important things to learn. Yet, for s

It seems like learning how to learn and learning what matters in the world (and therein how to be happy) are the two most important things to learn. Yet, for some reason, our standard school curriculum don't touch on either subject. Why not?

p-christ 4y ago
i wish school taught me how to learn instead of me having to wait until i was 25 and doing a free coursera course
- swantonb 4y ago
  Have you seen any SaaS or consumer products that focus on "how to learn?" and "digesting information" aspect?. I'm legit asking because my team is working on that exact idea with mental models and AI. If you are curious, we'd appreciate candid feedback from you. Just launched pre-beta on Product Hunt today. https://www.producthunt.com/posts/neble https://www.producthunt.com/posts/neble Thanks
  - p-christ 4y ago
    > Have you seen any SaaS or consumer products that focus on "how to learn?" and "digesting information" aspect? Yes Save All helps with that in a way https://saveall.ai/ https://saveall.ai/
jbaczuk 4y ago
Reminds me of this article I just read: http://paulgraham.com/lesson.html http://paulgraham.com/lesson.html
- foogazi 4y ago
  > There are now ways to get rich by doing good work, That sounds like different test too
Hendrikto 4y ago
> learning how to learn This is taught, at least at German schools. It‘s just that nobody pays attention. > learning what matters in the world (and therein how to be happy) This is way too subjective to be part of a curriculum. Trying would border on indoctrination.
- fairity 4y ago
  > This is taught, at least at German schools. It‘s just that nobody pays attention. Interesting, is the curriculum anywhere online? Curious to take a look. > This is way too subjective to be part of a curriculum. Trying would border on indoctrination. I see it as the opposite of indoctrination. Teaching students how to choose their own values (and how happiness is a function of your values) gives them more freedom not less. You wouldn't want to push any specific value framework, but you do want to teach students that it's possible to choose your own adventure, instead of getting indoctrinated by your society's prevailing values. A curriculum such as: - What are values? - The connection between happiness and values - Value traits (e.g. extrinsic vs intrinsic, behavioral vs situational) - Value prioritization and hierarchies - Different cultures and their distinct value frameworks - Practical applications (e.g. learning how to change your values; trying out different values for a day/week)
  - Hendrikto 4y ago
    Sorry for the late reply, I hope you still see this. > Interesting, is the curriculum anywhere online? Curious to take a look. They are, but in German: https://www.mk.niedersachsen.de/startseite/service/rechts_und_verwaltungsvorschriften/lehrplane/ https://www.mk.niedersachsen.de/startseite/service/rechts_un... Also, it’s been a while since I went to school. Not sure what changed in the meantime. > Teaching students how to choose their own values (and how happiness is a function of your values) gives them more freedom not less. You wouldn't want to push any specific value framework, but you do want to teach students that it's possible to choose your own adventure […] I fully agree with that. I apparently just misunderstood your original comment.

p-christ 4y ago

i wish school taught me how to learn instead of me having to wait until i was 25 and doing a free coursera course

swantonb 4y ago
Have you seen any SaaS or consumer products that focus on "how to learn?" and "digesting information" aspect?. I'm legit asking because my team is working on that exact idea with mental models and AI. If you are curious, we'd appreciate candid feedback from you. Just launched pre-beta on Product Hunt today. https://www.producthunt.com/posts/neble https://www.producthunt.com/posts/neble Thanks
- p-christ 4y ago
  > Have you seen any SaaS or consumer products that focus on "how to learn?" and "digesting information" aspect? Yes Save All helps with that in a way https://saveall.ai/ https://saveall.ai/

jbaczuk 4y ago

Reminds me of this article I just read: http://paulgraham.com/lesson.html http://paulgraham.com/lesson.html

foogazi 4y ago
> There are now ways to get rich by doing good work, That sounds like different test too

Hendrikto 4y ago

> learning how to learn This is taught, at least at German schools. It‘s just that nobody pays attention. > learning what matters in the world (and therein how to be happy) This is way too subjective to be part of a curriculum. Trying would border on indoctrination.

fairity 4y ago
> This is taught, at least at German schools. It‘s just that nobody pays attention. Interesting, is the curriculum anywhere online? Curious to take a look. > This is way too subjective to be part of a curriculum. Trying would border on indoctrination. I see it as the opposite of indoctrination. Teaching students how to choose their own values (and how happiness is a function of your values) gives them more freedom not less. You wouldn't want to push any specific value framework, but you do want to teach students that it's possible to choose your own adventure, instead of getting indoctrinated by your society's prevailing values. A curriculum such as: - What are values? - The connection between happiness and values - Value traits (e.g. extrinsic vs intrinsic, behavioral vs situational) - Value prioritization and hierarchies - Different cultures and their distinct value frameworks - Practical applications (e.g. learning how to change your values; trying out different values for a day/week)
- Hendrikto 4y ago
  Sorry for the late reply, I hope you still see this. > Interesting, is the curriculum anywhere online? Curious to take a look. They are, but in German: https://www.mk.niedersachsen.de/startseite/service/rechts_und_verwaltungsvorschriften/lehrplane/ https://www.mk.niedersachsen.de/startseite/service/rechts_un... Also, it’s been a while since I went to school. Not sure what changed in the meantime. > Teaching students how to choose their own values (and how happiness is a function of your values) gives them more freedom not less. You wouldn't want to push any specific value framework, but you do want to teach students that it's possible to choose your own adventure […] I fully agree with that. I apparently just misunderstood your original comment.