>Not at all, just that the "men are victims of violence too" whiney bullshit is not a useful conversation when talking about violence toward women by men. Is i

>Not at all, just that the "men are victims of violence too" whiney bullshit is not a useful conversation when talking about violence toward women by men. Is it? I don't know. Surely it depends on the particular conversation. If the topic of the conversation is "since women are victims of violence from men, men who are accused of committing violence against women should be guilty until proven innocent", then I don't think it's irrelevant that men also suffer violence.