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I don't think I'm mixing things up, I think you are. Coal extraction in the western world is making huge amounts of money and scaling up production, exactly th
by throwawaylinux 4y ago
I don't think I'm mixing things up, I think you are.
Coal extraction in the western world is making huge amounts of money and scaling up production, exactly the opposite of what the naysayers were incessantly parroting.
Coal is no different than wind and solar in terms of accessibility of plant or product. Actually renewables are significantly easier to acquire and scale and deploy in many cases -- millions of people have solar panels on their houses for example. Private, as well as municipal or county level installations are common. As are much larger ones.
> For the most part you don't need a specialized workforce either, which you do need for nuclear.
You certainly do. You can't just throw a bunch of people from the street together and tell them to run a coal mine, supply line, and power plant.
> It's also not intermittent like solar and wind and the supply chains for solar and wind wouldn't have been able to keep up anyway.
Might be zeroing in on some of the problems...
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- cinntaile 4y agohttps://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Coal_production_and_consumption_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/coal-production https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-states/coal-pro... https://www.statista.com/statistics/184333/coal-energy-consumption-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/184333/coal-energy-consu... https://www.worldometers.info/coal/australia-coal/ https://www.worldometers.info/coal/australia-coal/ Australia has consumption going down but production going up, they're selling to China and India. I hope this clears up your confusion. > Actually renewables are significantly easier to acquire and scale and deploy in many cases -- millions of people have solar panels on their houses for example. Private, as well as municipal or county level installations are common. As are much larger ones. You missed my point. You need a lot less materials for the same amount of power in a coal plant and digging for coal is easier to scale up.
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- throwawaylinux 4y agoI didn't, you're confused about my original point. Nothing you said addresses what I wrote. Try going back and re-reading it.
- cinntaile 4y agoI'm saying those claims were limited to the western world, they didn't address anything else. Where it is true that coal is on its way out.
- throwawaylinux 4y agoNo they weren't.
- cinntaile 4y agoI guess it's about time you back up your claims with some sources, your memory from a decennium ago might not be as accurate as you think. Here is the IEA World Energy Outlook from 2010. The presentation is simplified, check out page 11 in [0] for example. As you can see the OECD numbers go down, but the China, India and other developing market numbers go up. Giving us a total increase. You can check out the more in depth IEA report here [1]. [0] https://www.oecd.org/berlin/46389140.pdf https://www.oecd.org/berlin/46389140.pdf [1] https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/1b090169-1c58-4f5d-9451-ee838f6f00e5/weo2010.pdf https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/1b090169-1c58-4f5d-...
- throwawaylinux 4y agoSounds like sealioning TBH. No, you can easily refresh your own memory if you've forgotten about it. Coal mines infrastructure and generation everywhere were being called stranded assets, "killed by renewables". Your claim that it was just in the west doesn't make sense because mines in western countries export to China and India etc.