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I use the iPhone 13 mini, it's marginally bigger than the SE.

by hedwall 4y ago

dijit 4y ago
"Marginally" https://imgur.com/a/W5b7RDF https://imgur.com/a/W5b7RDF
- float4 4y ago
  The 12/13 mini is 9% wider and 6% taller[0], so I don't really think it's unfair to write "marginally bigger". Also, the second picture is a bit misleading because it compares the SE to a container that itself is larger than the mini (as you can see in the third picture). [0] Numbers from Mactracker. SE is 4.87" x 2.31" = 11.2497"^2. Mini is 5.18" x 2.53" = 13.1054"^2. That's a 16.5% increase in surface area
  - dijit 4y ago
    The container is from a 6; here's the numbers from Apple: * iPhone 5: 4.87 x 2.31 x 0.30 Volume: 3.37491 * iPhone 12/13 Mini: 5.18 x 2.53 x 0.29 Volume: 3.8 * iPhone 6: 5.44 x 2.64 x 0.27 Volume: 3.877632 * iPhone 8: 5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 I would argue that 9% is far from marginal. The increase from a 12 mini to an iPhone 6 is very minor; the increase from a 6 to 8 is marginal. From a 5 to a 6 or 12/13 mini is substantial.
    - float4 4y ago
      I think the real argument is that the screen size has dramatically increased, making it way more uncomfortable to use compared to an SE (I had/have a 5, 6s and 13 mini so I've experienced this myself). The physical size difference of the object isn't that substantial IMO, but I understand your point of view.
      - omar_alt 4y ago
        Yeah I have to agree here. The first gen SE size was good for me to use for one handed control which was very useful where the device acts as a remote control for a few devices in my home. The screen for the 2nd gen SE is an inch taller and half an inch wider which makes it impractical for me due to RSI. I imagine the screen size for the iphone mini is much bigger than even the new iphone SE so the only choice is to use my iphone se home remote until every app stops working. The fact is the iphone mini wasn't popular despite some demand for a small phone, phones are heavier due to the evolving chip architectures plus the necessity to stretch every millimetre of screen size. Likewise for laptops (Like many I would pay over the odds for a modern Thinkpad that felt just like a x220) but in reverse, laptops get lighter and thinner with worse keyboards whilst phones get bigger and heavier.
  - layer8 4y ago
    It’s almost 20% heavier, which for me makes a huge difference in how it feels. I now use a mini, but every time I pick up an old SE I cry a little inside because it feels so much better.
rjzzleep 4y ago
I really dislike the fact that it only has Face ID in the age of masks, but otherwise I too think it's a great device. I'm surprised how quite a few apps in that ecosystem don't support the small formfactor though(i.e. keyboard doesn't close and you can't press next in some apps) even though it's not like in android where there is a thousand formfactors to support.
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  You can actually weaken Face ID so it works with masks.
  - asplake 4y ago
    You can train it to work with masks. Judging by the prompts it pays increased attention to the eyes
- asplake 4y ago
  Happy iPhone 13 mini user here: it took a long time but unlocking while masked does now work
- themadturk 4y ago
  My former iPhone XR and current 13 Pro both work very well with masks.
- dublin 4y ago
  Masks aren't the concern so much as privacy. (Who the hell has even worn a mask in the past year and a half? I literally haven't worn one since mid 2021 - I don't even know where our masks are...) I'm really opposed to buying a phone with FaceID - give me a fingerprint sensor, please.
  - skyyler 4y ago
    >Who the hell has even worn a mask in the past year and a half? I literally haven't worn one since mid 2021 - I don't even know where our masks are... Around a third of the people I see at the grocery store in Santa Rosa, CA are wearing masks. A lot of people still don't want to spread germs, even though the pandemic is "over"
nemetroid 4y ago
It's considerably larger. If you hold the phone in your right hand and want to touch the upper left corner with your thumb, you have to reach about an inch further. I still think the iPhone 13 mini is the best choice, though.

I use the iPhone 13 mini, it's marginally bigger than the SE.

dijit 4y ago

"Marginally" https://imgur.com/a/W5b7RDF https://imgur.com/a/W5b7RDF

float4 4y ago
The 12/13 mini is 9% wider and 6% taller[0], so I don't really think it's unfair to write "marginally bigger". Also, the second picture is a bit misleading because it compares the SE to a container that itself is larger than the mini (as you can see in the third picture). [0] Numbers from Mactracker. SE is 4.87" x 2.31" = 11.2497"^2. Mini is 5.18" x 2.53" = 13.1054"^2. That's a 16.5% increase in surface area
- dijit 4y ago
  The container is from a 6; here's the numbers from Apple: * iPhone 5: 4.87 x 2.31 x 0.30 Volume: 3.37491 * iPhone 12/13 Mini: 5.18 x 2.53 x 0.29 Volume: 3.8 * iPhone 6: 5.44 x 2.64 x 0.27 Volume: 3.877632 * iPhone 8: 5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 I would argue that 9% is far from marginal. The increase from a 12 mini to an iPhone 6 is very minor; the increase from a 6 to 8 is marginal. From a 5 to a 6 or 12/13 mini is substantial.
  - float4 4y ago
    I think the real argument is that the screen size has dramatically increased, making it way more uncomfortable to use compared to an SE (I had/have a 5, 6s and 13 mini so I've experienced this myself). The physical size difference of the object isn't that substantial IMO, but I understand your point of view.
    - omar_alt 4y ago
      Yeah I have to agree here. The first gen SE size was good for me to use for one handed control which was very useful where the device acts as a remote control for a few devices in my home. The screen for the 2nd gen SE is an inch taller and half an inch wider which makes it impractical for me due to RSI. I imagine the screen size for the iphone mini is much bigger than even the new iphone SE so the only choice is to use my iphone se home remote until every app stops working. The fact is the iphone mini wasn't popular despite some demand for a small phone, phones are heavier due to the evolving chip architectures plus the necessity to stretch every millimetre of screen size. Likewise for laptops (Like many I would pay over the odds for a modern Thinkpad that felt just like a x220) but in reverse, laptops get lighter and thinner with worse keyboards whilst phones get bigger and heavier.
- layer8 4y ago
  It’s almost 20% heavier, which for me makes a huge difference in how it feels. I now use a mini, but every time I pick up an old SE I cry a little inside because it feels so much better.

rjzzleep 4y ago

I really dislike the fact that it only has Face ID in the age of masks, but otherwise I too think it's a great device. I'm surprised how quite a few apps in that ecosystem don't support the small formfactor though(i.e. keyboard doesn't close and you can't press next in some apps) even though it's not like in android where there is a thousand formfactors to support.

tinus_hn 4y ago
You can actually weaken Face ID so it works with masks.
- asplake 4y ago
  You can train it to work with masks. Judging by the prompts it pays increased attention to the eyes
asplake 4y ago
Happy iPhone 13 mini user here: it took a long time but unlocking while masked does now work
themadturk 4y ago
My former iPhone XR and current 13 Pro both work very well with masks.
dublin 4y ago
Masks aren't the concern so much as privacy. (Who the hell has even worn a mask in the past year and a half? I literally haven't worn one since mid 2021 - I don't even know where our masks are...) I'm really opposed to buying a phone with FaceID - give me a fingerprint sensor, please.
- skyyler 4y ago
  >Who the hell has even worn a mask in the past year and a half? I literally haven't worn one since mid 2021 - I don't even know where our masks are... Around a third of the people I see at the grocery store in Santa Rosa, CA are wearing masks. A lot of people still don't want to spread germs, even though the pandemic is "over"

nemetroid 4y ago

It's considerably larger. If you hold the phone in your right hand and want to touch the upper left corner with your thumb, you have to reach about an inch further. I still think the iPhone 13 mini is the best choice, though.