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What you label “I’m me” I say is an individual country’s ability to self determination which every sovereign state should have. Globalist elitists have been get

by nxm 4y ago

What you label “I’m me” I say is an individual country’s ability to self determination which every sovereign state should have. Globalist elitists have been getting richer and richer and it was time for a change

jlokier 4y ago
All states in the EU already had and have sovereign self determination. It is a voluntary membership. As the UK is demonstrating, it was always possible to leave simply by giving notice, and it's possible to negotiate a new arrangement. The "I'm me" refers to the UK wanting its cake and eating it - by not meeting the EU half way in the trade relationship, of course the UK does not get the benefits either, but they assumed they would get similar benefits. Sucks for those of us who live in the UK. We've basically lost a bunch of rights and privileges. For the individual person in the UK I would say we have less personal sovereignty now than we did before, just because there's less we are free to do with our lives than before. For UK businesses that trade with the EU - and this includes IT contractors - there are considerable barriers to trade now as well, which are causing customers in the EU to be increasing disinclined to bother with UK suppliers. Much of the talk about the EU is about trade, but there were a lot of personal freedoms enshrined in the EU treaty granted to all EU member citizens as a condition of membership as well, which we UK citizens have now lost. For many of us it's a severe and painful loss. You can probably tell, I care much less about the trade, and much more about what personal rights and freedoms individuals (and families etc) have to be free to enjoy their lives. I think individual persons have been harmed by Brexit much more than a "global elite", who can manage their assets just fine and aren't really affected.
kmeisthax 4y ago
Great. The EU works on the same principle, that's why they aren't giving the UK the terms they want. Because those other 27 member states still in the EU are still sovereign and have agreed to negotiate as a bloc. Hell, most of the antidemocratic features of the EU boil down to "the EU is accountable to member states first because member states did not surrender sovereignty when joining the union". Y'know what we call countries who think their right to self-determination overrides others? We call them paraiahs, or war criminals if they really push the issue.
pjc50 4y ago
Compared to dropping the value of the pound while allowing hedge funds to insider trade against it? The only people doing better out of Brexit are a small number of disaster capitalists. It's ridiculous how people will let the guy from Eton present himself as "not elite".

by nxm 4y ago

jlokier 4y ago

All states in the EU already had and have sovereign self determination. It is a voluntary membership. As the UK is demonstrating, it was always possible to leave simply by giving notice, and it's possible to negotiate a new arrangement. The "I'm me" refers to the UK wanting its cake and eating it - by not meeting the EU half way in the trade relationship, of course the UK does not get the benefits either, but they assumed they would get similar benefits. Sucks for those of us who live in the UK. We've basically lost a bunch of rights and privileges. For the individual person in the UK I would say we have less personal sovereignty now than we did before, just because there's less we are free to do with our lives than before. For UK businesses that trade with the EU - and this includes IT contractors - there are considerable barriers to trade now as well, which are causing customers in the EU to be increasing disinclined to bother with UK suppliers. Much of the talk about the EU is about trade, but there were a lot of personal freedoms enshrined in the EU treaty granted to all EU member citizens as a condition of membership as well, which we UK citizens have now lost. For many of us it's a severe and painful loss. You can probably tell, I care much less about the trade, and much more about what personal rights and freedoms individuals (and families etc) have to be free to enjoy their lives. I think individual persons have been harmed by Brexit much more than a "global elite", who can manage their assets just fine and aren't really affected.

kmeisthax 4y ago

Great. The EU works on the same principle, that's why they aren't giving the UK the terms they want. Because those other 27 member states still in the EU are still sovereign and have agreed to negotiate as a bloc. Hell, most of the antidemocratic features of the EU boil down to "the EU is accountable to member states first because member states did not surrender sovereignty when joining the union". Y'know what we call countries who think their right to self-determination overrides others? We call them paraiahs, or war criminals if they really push the issue.

pjc50 4y ago

Compared to dropping the value of the pound while allowing hedge funds to insider trade against it? The only people doing better out of Brexit are a small number of disaster capitalists. It's ridiculous how people will let the guy from Eton present himself as "not elite".