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You can read the studies here: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150 and here: htt

by Fezzik 4y ago

You can read the studies here: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150 and here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/oby.22468 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/oby.22468 They are both thorough, easy to read, and contradict Taubes’ primary claims. A third was supposed to occur (I think) but the funding, surprisingly, was withdrawn. Edit: there were three studies done, all of which contradict Taubes’ claims. You can read his wonky spin on how, even though the studies prove him wrong, he may just be right on his own website: http://garytaubes.com/the-dissolution-of-the-nutrition-science-initiative/ http://garytaubes.com/the-dissolution-of-the-nutrition-scien...

pmarreck 4y ago
Neither of those first 2 studies contradicts Taubes' claims. (What do you believe ARE Taubes' claims, anyway? That's probably important to establish, because my initial impression is that you have not read an entire Taubes book.) Not only that, he cites far more studies than 3 to support his claims, so your cherry-picking is possibly just that. Either that or you are a vegan or vegetarian. Whenever I encounter someone online who is vociferously anti-Taubes, it seems to be a vegan or vegetarian 90% of the time. No inherent bias there, LOL
- Fezzik 4y ago
  Avid hunter and meat eater here. Getting in to spear fishing next week. I cited to those three studies because they were directly funded by Taubes’ foundation and designed to prove Taubes’ claims and failed to do so.
  - pmarreck 4y ago
    you did not yet clarify what you believe Taubes’ core claims are as I tried to say, you cannot claim a claim is disproved, without elucidating that exact claim as precisely as possible, first.
    - Fezzik 4y ago
      Again, from Taubes’ own webpage: “In Good Calories, Bad Calories, Taubes tries to bury the idea that a low-fat diet promotes weight loss and better health. Obesity is caused, he argues, not by the quantity of calories you eat but by the quality. Carbohydrates, particularly refined ones like white bread and pasta, raise insulin levels, promoting the storage of fat.” The studies he acquired funding for came to conclusions contrary to this very claim.
pengaru 4y ago
I've never really considered Taubes as anything more than a writer/journalist and I appreciated the obviously herculean effort writing something like Good Calories, Bad Calories must have required. If he poorly ran poorly designed trials of his own with NuSI, it wouldn't remotely surprise me. It's not, to my understanding, his wheelhouse. From what I recall of Good Calories, Bad Calories (it's been quite a few years now), the thing wasn't even making new claims by the author. It dryly stated the purported science and history surrounding claims that weren't even his own. And it was all thoroughly backed with citations.

by Fezzik 4y ago

pmarreck 4y ago

Neither of those first 2 studies contradicts Taubes' claims. (What do you believe ARE Taubes' claims, anyway? That's probably important to establish, because my initial impression is that you have not read an entire Taubes book.) Not only that, he cites far more studies than 3 to support his claims, so your cherry-picking is possibly just that. Either that or you are a vegan or vegetarian. Whenever I encounter someone online who is vociferously anti-Taubes, it seems to be a vegan or vegetarian 90% of the time. No inherent bias there, LOL

Fezzik 4y ago
Avid hunter and meat eater here. Getting in to spear fishing next week. I cited to those three studies because they were directly funded by Taubes’ foundation and designed to prove Taubes’ claims and failed to do so.
- pmarreck 4y ago
  you did not yet clarify what you believe Taubes’ core claims are as I tried to say, you cannot claim a claim is disproved, without elucidating that exact claim as precisely as possible, first.
  - Fezzik 4y ago
    Again, from Taubes’ own webpage: “In Good Calories, Bad Calories, Taubes tries to bury the idea that a low-fat diet promotes weight loss and better health. Obesity is caused, he argues, not by the quantity of calories you eat but by the quality. Carbohydrates, particularly refined ones like white bread and pasta, raise insulin levels, promoting the storage of fat.” The studies he acquired funding for came to conclusions contrary to this very claim.

pengaru 4y ago

I've never really considered Taubes as anything more than a writer/journalist and I appreciated the obviously herculean effort writing something like Good Calories, Bad Calories must have required. If he poorly ran poorly designed trials of his own with NuSI, it wouldn't remotely surprise me. It's not, to my understanding, his wheelhouse. From what I recall of Good Calories, Bad Calories (it's been quite a few years now), the thing wasn't even making new claims by the author. It dryly stated the purported science and history surrounding claims that weren't even his own. And it was all thoroughly backed with citations.