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Silicon Valley Slides Back into ‘Bro’ Culture

12 points by NoRagrets 4y ago

throwawaysleep 4y ago
> Zuck likes to wrestle with his buddies? So what? Sports are evil now? > Elon thinks he’s above the law? If he rejected the court as a scam, you could make that argument. Merely being taken to court is not claiming to be above the law. > Andreessen trusted that entrepreneur with how much money? As he made a ton of money for his initial investors. Just sucks to be the one holding the bag at the end. I would happily get in on the ground floor of a scam too.
unicornhose 4y ago
Unsurprising because it never got past bro culture in the first place. All the diversity stuff was always “box ticking”, in David Graeber’s taxonomy of bullshit jobs. Though I don’t really blame the industry, the bureaucracy of diversity initiatives rarely leave room for actual progress.
shapefrog 4y ago
There is absolutely nothing "bro" like about neveau rich nerds pretending to be down with the jocks.
Manuel_D 4y ago
Define "bro" culture? For me it evokes images of chest thumbing beer-pong playing college students. This article is mostly about fortune 500 CEOs and venture capitalists. It seems like "bro" culture is a moniker associated with any majority male group.
bloqs 4y ago
This is just more garbage, surface level aesthetic observations (the ideas vs aesthetics interest differential in human personality psychology is a running theme with this stuff) that bear no resemblance to the actual mechanics of what are going on. 'Wholesale Wokery', which, as usual, is confusing correlation and causation
jdmdmdmdmd 4y ago
I can't understand the author's issue with Zuckerberg wrestling. I especially can't understand how it "seemed designed for maximum outrage." >Mr. Musk’s blockbuster deal for Twitter underlines how the tech industry still operates like an old boys’ club. Can anyone explain this line?
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throwayyy479087 4y ago
When you read these, remember that the fundamentally power is all that matters to powerful institutions. The Times is threatened by the rise of populism in the hinterlands and technocracy on the west coast.
mercy_dude 4y ago
If NYTimes had any shred of journalistic integrity left, they would be looking into themselves first before pointing out other “broken bro cultures”
- more_corn 4y ago
  Did we just find Elon’s alt?
fxtentacle 4y ago
To me, it seems the strongest complaint of the article is that these men have a stable support network of friends and help each other. Shouldn't that be equally the case with women? Apart from that, yes, Musk did childish jokes on Twitter, but that's hardly news I guess? And why is it a problem if Zuckerberg tries to present himself as old-school masculine? He's old, married, and a dad now.
phantom_of_cato 4y ago
- Kye 4y ago
  I've only read the headline and this comment, but this comment seems like a model of the problem the linked article presumably describes. Feminization rocks, actually.
  - phantom_of_cato 4y ago
jelliclesfarm 4y ago
raxxorraxor 4y ago
> entrepreneur who notoriously incinerated billions of dollars in value at WeWork The dollars were not incinerated, they belong to other people now. Success highly depends on your perspective. I believe the "bro culture" is refreshing compared to the usual stiff corporate culture and is not restricted to any sex. Wouldn't have called it that way and I have yet to see any engineers doing "locker room talk". Most just aren't really the type. A stereotype perhaps, but that is as true for the accusation of a culture not being welcoming. I would dispute that and I believe it is just not what some people want it to be. Maybe it is different in SV because the place also attracts the gold diggers and opportunists that are prone to take other risks as well. Especially with the history of how nerds were seen by society, it just sounds like a joke. And overall a joke it turned out to be. So much so that people rejected attempts to reform a culture. Now behavior is less carefree, but the usual corporate culture was still preferable than what was suggested as an improvement. A compromise I guess, but without any winners at all. And I doubt anti-discrimination laws are what people were looking forward to. That there are entanglements among investors is a problem everywhere and not at all intrinsic to the tech industry. A bit more class among investors would be nice, but here it is asking for more class among twitter users. There are some problems with discrimination. But women probably have a far easier time at tech companies than they would have in a surgical ward. If that is still true today that is because you have to look pretty closely to find any occupation that still discriminates on the basis of sex.
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  Bro culture is similar to frat house culture. It doesn’t inspire confidence because of the volatility and instability of the players. Women need to distance themselves from all this and discriminate against men. Feminism has tricked women and brainwashed them into imagining that they need to be equal to men and avail equal rights. It is a step down for women. It is the worst thing that can ever happen to women who can excel in every way if they create their own kingdom with its own special set of rules for admission. The sooner women distance themselves from the Bro groups and establish their own world where they can truly enjoy power, the better it is for them. They will never be treated equally in a world where genderism and sexism will never be eradicated. Right now, the world is being run by Peter Pans. It’s embarrassing.

12 points by NoRagrets 4y ago

> Zuck likes to wrestle with his buddies? So what? Sports are evil now? > Elon thinks he’s above the law? If he rejected the court as a scam, you could make that argument. Merely being taken to court is not claiming to be above the law. > Andreessen trusted that entrepreneur with how much money? As he made a ton of money for his initial investors. Just sucks to be the one holding the bag at the end. I would happily get in on the ground floor of a scam too.

unicornhose 4y ago

Unsurprising because it never got past bro culture in the first place. All the diversity stuff was always “box ticking”, in David Graeber’s taxonomy of bullshit jobs. Though I don’t really blame the industry, the bureaucracy of diversity initiatives rarely leave room for actual progress.

shapefrog 4y ago

There is absolutely nothing "bro" like about neveau rich nerds pretending to be down with the jocks.

Manuel_D 4y ago

Define "bro" culture? For me it evokes images of chest thumbing beer-pong playing college students. This article is mostly about fortune 500 CEOs and venture capitalists. It seems like "bro" culture is a moniker associated with any majority male group.

bloqs 4y ago

This is just more garbage, surface level aesthetic observations (the ideas vs aesthetics interest differential in human personality psychology is a running theme with this stuff) that bear no resemblance to the actual mechanics of what are going on. 'Wholesale Wokery', which, as usual, is confusing correlation and causation

jdmdmdmdmd 4y ago

I can't understand the author's issue with Zuckerberg wrestling. I especially can't understand how it "seemed designed for maximum outrage." >Mr. Musk’s blockbuster deal for Twitter underlines how the tech industry still operates like an old boys’ club. Can anyone explain this line?

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throwayyy479087 4y ago

When you read these, remember that the fundamentally power is all that matters to powerful institutions. The Times is threatened by the rise of populism in the hinterlands and technocracy on the west coast.

mercy_dude 4y ago

If NYTimes had any shred of journalistic integrity left, they would be looking into themselves first before pointing out other “broken bro cultures”

more_corn 4y ago
Did we just find Elon’s alt?

fxtentacle 4y ago

To me, it seems the strongest complaint of the article is that these men have a stable support network of friends and help each other. Shouldn't that be equally the case with women? Apart from that, yes, Musk did childish jokes on Twitter, but that's hardly news I guess? And why is it a problem if Zuckerberg tries to present himself as old-school masculine? He's old, married, and a dad now.

phantom_of_cato 4y ago

Kye 4y ago
I've only read the headline and this comment, but this comment seems like a model of the problem the linked article presumably describes. Feminization rocks, actually.
- phantom_of_cato 4y ago

jelliclesfarm 4y ago

raxxorraxor 4y ago

> entrepreneur who notoriously incinerated billions of dollars in value at WeWork The dollars were not incinerated, they belong to other people now. Success highly depends on your perspective. I believe the "bro culture" is refreshing compared to the usual stiff corporate culture and is not restricted to any sex. Wouldn't have called it that way and I have yet to see any engineers doing "locker room talk". Most just aren't really the type. A stereotype perhaps, but that is as true for the accusation of a culture not being welcoming. I would dispute that and I believe it is just not what some people want it to be. Maybe it is different in SV because the place also attracts the gold diggers and opportunists that are prone to take other risks as well. Especially with the history of how nerds were seen by society, it just sounds like a joke. And overall a joke it turned out to be. So much so that people rejected attempts to reform a culture. Now behavior is less carefree, but the usual corporate culture was still preferable than what was suggested as an improvement. A compromise I guess, but without any winners at all. And I doubt anti-discrimination laws are what people were looking forward to. That there are entanglements among investors is a problem everywhere and not at all intrinsic to the tech industry. A bit more class among investors would be nice, but here it is asking for more class among twitter users. There are some problems with discrimination. But women probably have a far easier time at tech companies than they would have in a surgical ward. If that is still true today that is because you have to look pretty closely to find any occupation that still discriminates on the basis of sex.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
Bro culture is similar to frat house culture. It doesn’t inspire confidence because of the volatility and instability of the players. Women need to distance themselves from all this and discriminate against men. Feminism has tricked women and brainwashed them into imagining that they need to be equal to men and avail equal rights. It is a step down for women. It is the worst thing that can ever happen to women who can excel in every way if they create their own kingdom with its own special set of rules for admission. The sooner women distance themselves from the Bro groups and establish their own world where they can truly enjoy power, the better it is for them. They will never be treated equally in a world where genderism and sexism will never be eradicated. Right now, the world is being run by Peter Pans. It’s embarrassing.