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China will monitor bus drivers emotions using wristbands

7 points by bubblehack3r 4y ago

tpmx 4y ago
It's weird how totalitarian, demonstrably evil communists tend to do the same thing as Silicon Valley companies.
tarakat 4y ago
They are in public, and if an expert in body language and facial expressions were sitting next to them paying close attention, he could monitor those emotions just as well. So one cannot say they have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" for their emotional state, and therefore this is not an invasion of privacy even according to US law. Or perhaps the "reasonable expectation of privacy" is used in an utterly insane manner in US law. One or the other.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  Body language certainly conveys some information, but only to a degree. "Experts" basically just created an expectation toward body language and use that as a reference. For complex emotions this is similar as a horoscope, it fits if you believe in it. This is also why there is "training" for body language. Of course you can "read" the general emotion someone is in.
dane-pgp 4y ago
I'm guessing that these wristbands will be mandated for other workers eventually, and then the general population. Consider this report from the Economist last year[0] about efforts to put CCP "embedded party organisations" in Chinese businesses: > It involves an app that shows members how many points they have scored for volunteer work, for taking part in political study sessions or for submitting “thought reports” (a device much-loved by the party for ensuring discipline, as it forces members to expose their own weaknesses). Score less than 60 points in a year and you could be summoned for a chat with a party official, or sent for retraining at a party school. [0] https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/06/23/the-party-is-eager-to-expand-its-influence-within-business https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/06/23/the-part...
- trasz 4y ago
  The mechanism you describe is strictly voluntary - and much less repressive than what’s considered normal in American workplaces - but of course it doesn’t prevent you from fantasizing about making it mandatory. But of course it’s not cultural racism, not at all. (Quick look at your comment history shows you’re also a religious fundamentalist; what an unusual coincidence.)
  - raxxorraxor 4y ago
    What is considered "normal" in some workplaces isn't really a good measure. It is true that requirements on suggested behavior increased in the last decade. But it isn't a competition on who is the worst actor here. I agree that some companies seem to mirror the impulse to police behavior. There is no racism to be found here. Your accusation is wrong and preposterous. It shouldn't even be worth a reply since there is no argumentative basis.
  - dane-pgp 4y ago
    > of course it doesn’t prevent you from fantasizing about making it mandatory To be clear, it is a requirement of Chinese law that companies have CCP committees as "a way of installing a party representative within a company's top ranks, sometimes in a director or management role."[0] The app I described might still be voluntary, but other apps (such as for Covid[1] and for ethnic/religious minorities[2]) are anything but voluntary, in practice. > (Quick look at your comment history... I hope you don't report me to the Social Credit police, or I'll never be able to get a bank loan. Perhaps you can see now why pervasive surveillance has a chilling effect on people's right to free expression (assuming that's something you value). Anyway, a quick look at your comment history shows that you're a CCP apologist with a grudge against Christianity (and Catholicism specifically), which is also an "unusual coincidence". Also, I get the impression that you're keen to accuse someone else of racism, while you don't seem to care about the Uyghur minority in China, perhaps because they are mostly Muslim, so maybe you are projecting. For what it's worth, I have a great respect for the Chinese people and Chinese culture. I think that Chinese people make a positive contribution to every country that they choose to make their home in, and think that countries should do more to help Chinese people flee from their oppressive government. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/21/hsbc-unit-installs-chinese-communist-party-committee/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/21/hsbc-unit-in... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61793149 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61793149 [2] https://tribune.com.pk/story/1463852/china-forces-muslim-minority-install-surveillance-app-phones https://tribune.com.pk/story/1463852/china-forces-muslim-min...

7 points by bubblehack3r 4y ago

tpmx 4y ago

It's weird how totalitarian, demonstrably evil communists tend to do the same thing as Silicon Valley companies.

They are in public, and if an expert in body language and facial expressions were sitting next to them paying close attention, he could monitor those emotions just as well. So one cannot say they have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" for their emotional state, and therefore this is not an invasion of privacy even according to US law. Or perhaps the "reasonable expectation of privacy" is used in an utterly insane manner in US law. One or the other.

raxxorraxor 4y ago
Body language certainly conveys some information, but only to a degree. "Experts" basically just created an expectation toward body language and use that as a reference. For complex emotions this is similar as a horoscope, it fits if you believe in it. This is also why there is "training" for body language. Of course you can "read" the general emotion someone is in.

dane-pgp 4y ago

I'm guessing that these wristbands will be mandated for other workers eventually, and then the general population. Consider this report from the Economist last year[0] about efforts to put CCP "embedded party organisations" in Chinese businesses: > It involves an app that shows members how many points they have scored for volunteer work, for taking part in political study sessions or for submitting “thought reports” (a device much-loved by the party for ensuring discipline, as it forces members to expose their own weaknesses). Score less than 60 points in a year and you could be summoned for a chat with a party official, or sent for retraining at a party school. [0] https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/06/23/the-party-is-eager-to-expand-its-influence-within-business https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/06/23/the-part...

trasz 4y ago
The mechanism you describe is strictly voluntary - and much less repressive than what’s considered normal in American workplaces - but of course it doesn’t prevent you from fantasizing about making it mandatory. But of course it’s not cultural racism, not at all. (Quick look at your comment history shows you’re also a religious fundamentalist; what an unusual coincidence.)
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  What is considered "normal" in some workplaces isn't really a good measure. It is true that requirements on suggested behavior increased in the last decade. But it isn't a competition on who is the worst actor here. I agree that some companies seem to mirror the impulse to police behavior. There is no racism to be found here. Your accusation is wrong and preposterous. It shouldn't even be worth a reply since there is no argumentative basis.
- dane-pgp 4y ago
  > of course it doesn’t prevent you from fantasizing about making it mandatory To be clear, it is a requirement of Chinese law that companies have CCP committees as "a way of installing a party representative within a company's top ranks, sometimes in a director or management role."[0] The app I described might still be voluntary, but other apps (such as for Covid[1] and for ethnic/religious minorities[2]) are anything but voluntary, in practice. > (Quick look at your comment history... I hope you don't report me to the Social Credit police, or I'll never be able to get a bank loan. Perhaps you can see now why pervasive surveillance has a chilling effect on people's right to free expression (assuming that's something you value). Anyway, a quick look at your comment history shows that you're a CCP apologist with a grudge against Christianity (and Catholicism specifically), which is also an "unusual coincidence". Also, I get the impression that you're keen to accuse someone else of racism, while you don't seem to care about the Uyghur minority in China, perhaps because they are mostly Muslim, so maybe you are projecting. For what it's worth, I have a great respect for the Chinese people and Chinese culture. I think that Chinese people make a positive contribution to every country that they choose to make their home in, and think that countries should do more to help Chinese people flee from their oppressive government. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/21/hsbc-unit-installs-chinese-communist-party-committee/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/21/hsbc-unit-in... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61793149 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61793149 [2] https://tribune.com.pk/story/1463852/china-forces-muslim-minority-install-surveillance-app-phones https://tribune.com.pk/story/1463852/china-forces-muslim-min...