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The lack of detailed reporting from Iran the past week is disturbing, to say the least. Are there any (for the lack of a better word) "western" (I mean, I'd al

by tpmx 4y ago

The lack of detailed reporting from Iran the past week is disturbing, to say the least. Are there any (for the lack of a better word) "western" (I mean, I'd also trust, for example NHK, SBS, ABC Australia, etc) journalists from credible journalistic institutions on the ground in Iran? I admit I'm ignorant to the limits of independent reporting I'm certain the government of Iran mandates.

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
I imagine that institutions are still wary of sending their journalists to Iran after what happened to Zahra Kazemi.
dmix 4y ago
It’s very hard to get an Iranian visa as a journo
- pessimizer 4y ago
  We do have a habit of sending spies as journalists. edit: we definitely do this. Also as grad students. Be upset about it, but not with me. The fact that we do this means that US journalists are limited in where they can go. Just like the fact that we're totally willing to send spies as NGO doctors administering vaccinations means that we can't do vaccination campaigns in countries that need help, or the fact that we send spies embedded with weapons/nuclear inspectors means that inspectors can't get access to things.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    Do you have a source for that claim?
    - novaleaf 4y ago
      I don't, but you can always watch the movie "Argo" for a dramatization of actual CIA activity
aiProgMach 4y ago
csomar 4y ago
It's problematic because both sides have political backgrounds: The West would like to take advantage of the current chaos to perpetrate a possible revolution. The Iranian government is aware of that, and that regardless of the truth about the death of the girl it's going to be used against it. The public has reasons not to believe the government story. You have to understand that the "morality police" has nothing to do with morality and it's a result of the power structures making the current Iranian society. In a way, the "morality police" makes the Iranian government weaker and not stronger but it's a ruling tool. This day-to-day ruling tool and its resulting stability comes at the cost of the possible revolution when the general population have had enough. Will this time be the one? Who knows but at this time the sanctions can come in very handy. (if not for making this successful, they'd be used as leverage of the next negotiations round)
tmnvix 4y ago
DW are covering it in their regular online news bulletins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_SfNVNyqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_SfNVNyqk
Siira 4y ago
The Iranian journalists who covered the death of Mahsa Amini are now imprisoned. The Internet has been mostly shut down. There are, obviously, no foreign journalists. The foreign media rebroadcasts coverage Iranians can somehow upload.
JSfran 4y ago
As Iranian, I disagree! Those reporter of western mainstream media (last time I watched France24) which have a presence there needs to incorporate some propaganda and reports within the red lines at best. Otherwise, like many others they will be asked to leave the country or if they be Iranian correspondents they even can face serious charges (some form of treason)! As Iranian, I usually watch with good amounts of doubts such reports with their Iran correspondence. The last time, the anchor said: "It's very good that we have you over there, let me ask...". For me, it was Nope! It actually worse than we have you over there. It means you need to conform! It was even more surprising later for me that even in the western main stream media, the regime propaganda is the main voice that I hear, believe it or not you can research the NIAC network (Iran under-cover lobbyists) and see how often they're consulted as journalists/commentators on Iran issue in those medias. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Iranian_American_Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Iranian_American_Coun... I agree, there is a lack of resources here and Iranian journalists are responsible in part. But in defense there are not much hope/resources for independent journalism overall not only on this matter but almost any other. Simply money talks and sifting through that needs focus and great deal of time!

by tpmx 4y ago

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago

I imagine that institutions are still wary of sending their journalists to Iran after what happened to Zahra Kazemi.

dmix 4y ago

It’s very hard to get an Iranian visa as a journo

pessimizer 4y ago
We do have a habit of sending spies as journalists. edit: we definitely do this. Also as grad students. Be upset about it, but not with me. The fact that we do this means that US journalists are limited in where they can go. Just like the fact that we're totally willing to send spies as NGO doctors administering vaccinations means that we can't do vaccination campaigns in countries that need help, or the fact that we send spies embedded with weapons/nuclear inspectors means that inspectors can't get access to things.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  Do you have a source for that claim?
  - novaleaf 4y ago
    I don't, but you can always watch the movie "Argo" for a dramatization of actual CIA activity

aiProgMach 4y ago

csomar 4y ago

It's problematic because both sides have political backgrounds: The West would like to take advantage of the current chaos to perpetrate a possible revolution. The Iranian government is aware of that, and that regardless of the truth about the death of the girl it's going to be used against it. The public has reasons not to believe the government story. You have to understand that the "morality police" has nothing to do with morality and it's a result of the power structures making the current Iranian society. In a way, the "morality police" makes the Iranian government weaker and not stronger but it's a ruling tool. This day-to-day ruling tool and its resulting stability comes at the cost of the possible revolution when the general population have had enough. Will this time be the one? Who knows but at this time the sanctions can come in very handy. (if not for making this successful, they'd be used as leverage of the next negotiations round)

tmnvix 4y ago

DW are covering it in their regular online news bulletins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_SfNVNyqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_SfNVNyqk

Siira 4y ago

The Iranian journalists who covered the death of Mahsa Amini are now imprisoned. The Internet has been mostly shut down. There are, obviously, no foreign journalists. The foreign media rebroadcasts coverage Iranians can somehow upload.

JSfran 4y ago

As Iranian, I disagree! Those reporter of western mainstream media (last time I watched France24) which have a presence there needs to incorporate some propaganda and reports within the red lines at best. Otherwise, like many others they will be asked to leave the country or if they be Iranian correspondents they even can face serious charges (some form of treason)! As Iranian, I usually watch with good amounts of doubts such reports with their Iran correspondence. The last time, the anchor said: "It's very good that we have you over there, let me ask...". For me, it was Nope! It actually worse than we have you over there. It means you need to conform! It was even more surprising later for me that even in the western main stream media, the regime propaganda is the main voice that I hear, believe it or not you can research the NIAC network (Iran under-cover lobbyists) and see how often they're consulted as journalists/commentators on Iran issue in those medias. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Iranian_American_Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Iranian_American_Coun... I agree, there is a lack of resources here and Iranian journalists are responsible in part. But in defense there are not much hope/resources for independent journalism overall not only on this matter but almost any other. Simply money talks and sifting through that needs focus and great deal of time!