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Expecting general users to use checksums is exactly the answer I expect from HN.

bitexploder 4y ago
A solution around archive fidelity isn’t far from this idea though. And how hard is it to sling a find command to collect all your photo hashes?
- pdntspa 4y ago
  Extraordinarily difficult, judging by GP's cynicism. Personally it is appalling just how little people are motivated to be nomically tech-literate in this extremely tech-driven society.
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    Tech is the only industry that asks this of it’s users, it’s just laziness on the developers part. People needing to know about hashing in order to save photos would be like people needing to know what refrigerant their A/C uses in order to keep cool. Can you? Sure. Are their weird edge cases where it’s mildly helpful to know as opposed to having to ask someone? Debatably. Should you need to in order to not have things break for no reason? Absolutely not.
    - bitexploder 4y ago
      I kind of agree with you both. We do ask a lot of our users. But also, there is no A/C system out there nearly as complex as software. It is hard. For everyone. We can do better, but what does that even look like? Consumer level technology consumption is not in a great spot, but it also isn’t horrible. Power users who can get more out of computing will be a thing for a long time to come.
    - pdntspa 4y ago
      Lots of things are complex and confront people to deal with it directly, we just also have legions of people that we can pay to step in for us and a culture where laziness and convenience are core principles to our everyday lives. Not to mention a political establishment that touts the "virtues" of a simple, ignorant life. Maintaining a house or yard, for example, or taxes. Driving also has a pretty high learning curve -- high enough to mandate driving lessons -- but once we learn it we're set for life. (Tech is the same way here....)
colinsane 4y ago
why do you assume GP is talking about general users? as you point out, this is HN: it’s reasonable to think that most comments here are written for that mostly-tech-literate HN audience, unless they state otherwise, no?
unity1001 4y ago
Yeah. And somebody may put up an Open Source repo for doing that 'easier'. But of course, nothing that any average user on the net could even know to exist, leave aside actually use...

A solution around archive fidelity isn’t far from this idea though. And how hard is it to sling a find command to collect all your photo hashes?

pdntspa 4y ago
Extraordinarily difficult, judging by GP's cynicism. Personally it is appalling just how little people are motivated to be nomically tech-literate in this extremely tech-driven society.
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  Tech is the only industry that asks this of it’s users, it’s just laziness on the developers part. People needing to know about hashing in order to save photos would be like people needing to know what refrigerant their A/C uses in order to keep cool. Can you? Sure. Are their weird edge cases where it’s mildly helpful to know as opposed to having to ask someone? Debatably. Should you need to in order to not have things break for no reason? Absolutely not.
  - bitexploder 4y ago
    I kind of agree with you both. We do ask a lot of our users. But also, there is no A/C system out there nearly as complex as software. It is hard. For everyone. We can do better, but what does that even look like? Consumer level technology consumption is not in a great spot, but it also isn’t horrible. Power users who can get more out of computing will be a thing for a long time to come.
  - pdntspa 4y ago
    Lots of things are complex and confront people to deal with it directly, we just also have legions of people that we can pay to step in for us and a culture where laziness and convenience are core principles to our everyday lives. Not to mention a political establishment that touts the "virtues" of a simple, ignorant life. Maintaining a house or yard, for example, or taxes. Driving also has a pretty high learning curve -- high enough to mandate driving lessons -- but once we learn it we're set for life. (Tech is the same way here....)

colinsane 4y ago

why do you assume GP is talking about general users? as you point out, this is HN: it’s reasonable to think that most comments here are written for that mostly-tech-literate HN audience, unless they state otherwise, no?

unity1001 4y ago

Yeah. And somebody may put up an Open Source repo for doing that 'easier'. But of course, nothing that any average user on the net could even know to exist, leave aside actually use...