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> They also manufactured overwhelming evidence that the Viet Cong attacked a navy ship in the Gulf of Tonkin, and that Saddam Hussein was manufacturing weapons

> They also manufactured overwhelming evidence that the Viet Cong attacked a navy ship in the Gulf of Tonkin, and that Saddam Hussein was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction. Why would you use these examples? These are cases of them being wrong, not manufacturing. Both cases are well-documented. And the Viet Cong did attack, but only once. > They’ll gladly manufacture evidence that leads to the deaths of more than 100k+ Americans Why? And what scenario was going through your mind when you typed 100k+? I can only guess a false flag nuclear strike. > altering or destroying evidence to cover up the death of hundreds is a normal workday. You work there too? Got sources on the inside? Don’t make them in to some kind of boogie man. You’ll only obfuscate the truth.

sonotathrowaway 4y ago
No, the CIA was not wrong about Saddam. It knew internally that the regime was not producing weapons, and communicated that clearly to Bush, repeatedly. Bush decided that he could force the CIA to manufacture evidence, so he installed political operatives that forced the CIA author reports relying on a source they knew was lying. The answer to both questions is that you need to accept that an intelligence agency is not a person nor an objective, fact-finding institution. They are an organization created and dedicated to advancing the interests of their executives, in the case of the US the president. They are not bound by objective truth, nor do they have any duty to be truthful to anyone besides the president. They’ve spied on congress, hacked the senate networks, and outright lied in televised sworn testimony to congress whenever they deem that democratic oversight is beneath them - and I’m talking about the CIA of the 2010’s, not to mention the pre-church 1970’s CIA which outright murdered Americans. They are an organization that exists to serve the interests of a single person, the idea that what they say has any relation to objective reality is laughable. They’ll say and do whatever they think serves their interest, whether it is true or false is completely irrelevant to their process. You cannot assume any information or evidence that has been touched by them to be true or false - their aim is to manufacture evidence for any reality they want, regardless of objective reality.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  s/Bush/Cheney/g s/CIA/DOD/

sonotathrowaway 4y ago

No, the CIA was not wrong about Saddam. It knew internally that the regime was not producing weapons, and communicated that clearly to Bush, repeatedly. Bush decided that he could force the CIA to manufacture evidence, so he installed political operatives that forced the CIA author reports relying on a source they knew was lying. The answer to both questions is that you need to accept that an intelligence agency is not a person nor an objective, fact-finding institution. They are an organization created and dedicated to advancing the interests of their executives, in the case of the US the president. They are not bound by objective truth, nor do they have any duty to be truthful to anyone besides the president. They’ve spied on congress, hacked the senate networks, and outright lied in televised sworn testimony to congress whenever they deem that democratic oversight is beneath them - and I’m talking about the CIA of the 2010’s, not to mention the pre-church 1970’s CIA which outright murdered Americans. They are an organization that exists to serve the interests of a single person, the idea that what they say has any relation to objective reality is laughable. They’ll say and do whatever they think serves their interest, whether it is true or false is completely irrelevant to their process. You cannot assume any information or evidence that has been touched by them to be true or false - their aim is to manufacture evidence for any reality they want, regardless of objective reality.

mixmastamyk 4y ago
s/Bush/Cheney/g s/CIA/DOD/