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I've never used Jet Brains products on anything besides MacOS for close to a decade and have been doing professional Android development with Android studio for

I've never used Jet Brains products on anything besides MacOS for close to a decade and have been doing professional Android development with Android studio for almost that long. I don't agree with any of your complaints and find it hard to believe they were ever true unless you used their products an extremely long time ago before they got popular. I had to use XCode in grad school for a single iOS class and ended up switching to app code for any parts of the assignments I could. At work the developer that switches back and forth between iOS dev and Android dev and he has a similar work flow of doing as much as possible in AppCode until forced to use XCode.

danpalmer 4y ago
I use Android Studio on a ~weekly basis, and have tried to get into PyCharm many times. It's clear that the JetBrains team have a very different view of what UX is and should be than Apple and most developers targeting macOS. The fact that JetBrains uses its own UI toolkit is the cause of a lot of the friction I experience, it's buggy on multi-monitor systems, focus works in a different way interrupting many micro-interactions. The pseudo-windows-in-a-window model feels wrong on macOS, it's the only application I know like it and it's a very Windows like model. People value different things, and I know many get lots of value out of JetBrains products. I just suspect that most people working on a Mac because they like Macs will not align well with the JetBrains products.
- mobiledev2014 4y ago
  Also a cross platform mobile dev, couldn't agree more. Feels like I'm in a different OS when I have Android Studio full screen. There are some things I like about it but if I could stick 100% to iOS strictly from a devex point of view I would.
gumby 4y ago
Like danpalmer I can't stand the jetbrains tools I've used (PyCharm, IntelliJ). Just seems like a lot of clicking and inconsistent interface. I use Xcode but do most of my code editing, building and debugging in Emacs; I have to use Xcode directly for all the UI plumbing. The best I can say is a weak, "not as bad as jetbrains"

danpalmer 4y ago

I use Android Studio on a ~weekly basis, and have tried to get into PyCharm many times. It's clear that the JetBrains team have a very different view of what UX is and should be than Apple and most developers targeting macOS. The fact that JetBrains uses its own UI toolkit is the cause of a lot of the friction I experience, it's buggy on multi-monitor systems, focus works in a different way interrupting many micro-interactions. The pseudo-windows-in-a-window model feels wrong on macOS, it's the only application I know like it and it's a very Windows like model. People value different things, and I know many get lots of value out of JetBrains products. I just suspect that most people working on a Mac because they like Macs will not align well with the JetBrains products.

mobiledev2014 4y ago
Also a cross platform mobile dev, couldn't agree more. Feels like I'm in a different OS when I have Android Studio full screen. There are some things I like about it but if I could stick 100% to iOS strictly from a devex point of view I would.

gumby 4y ago

Like danpalmer I can't stand the jetbrains tools I've used (PyCharm, IntelliJ). Just seems like a lot of clicking and inconsistent interface. I use Xcode but do most of my code editing, building and debugging in Emacs; I have to use Xcode directly for all the UI plumbing. The best I can say is a weak, "not as bad as jetbrains"