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Step 1: Break ties with Russia. Until then, everything is double-speak

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
they are kind of 'Surrounded' by Russia and China, there is no other route from Kazahstan to the rest of the world Look at the map, the only other border they have is with a litany of failed states with zero infrastructure or freedom.
- mcfedr 4y ago
  Russia has infrastructure and freedom?
  - mtmail 4y ago
    "only other border" so Russia or China were not meant. The other borders are to Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan.
  - breitling 4y ago
    ok. Go easy in the kool-aid.
  - walrus01 4y ago
    It has infrastructure, if we mean railways, electrical grid, etc. Freedom, obviously not so much.
    - ansgri 4y ago
      Infrastructure in largest cities, especially Moscow, is world-class. The public transportation is (was?) one of the best globally, most services are digital, banking is very modern with good mobile apps and instantaneous operations. And I really miss the reliable centralized hot water supply and heating.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    Have you looked at the map? Would you rather be in Russia or Afghanistan?
ur-whale 4y ago
> Step 1: Break ties with Russia. Easier said than done in the case of Kazakhstan, a country literally stuck between a very sharp rock (Russia) and a very hard place (China). Also, re: doublespeak, in times of war ... it is a well known historical fact that both sides are deeply guilty of this specific sin (in times of war, the first victim is truth as the saying goes), so I'm not sure how what you're asking for is even possible.
lossolo 4y ago
They are already doing that, they are pivoting to China, in 2023 they are leaving substitute of NATO in east, in which Russia plays a big role, they denied helping Russia with war in Ukraine and after newest China-Kazakhstan meeting it's obvious that China will be a new patron of Kazakhstan and also guarantee their territorial integrity.
- vhgyu75e6u 4y ago
  Translation: we are sticking to whoever allows us to remain in power and keep our status as is.
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ansgri 4y ago
Step 0: get all those tens (hundreds?) of thousands of mostly highly-educated professionals fleeing the military draft to Kazakhstan, Armenia and Georgia (mostly). Even though Russian government says IT workers are exempt, everyone that can flee the country and haven’t done that earlier, runs now. It could be a huge opportunity for these countries’ economies if managed well.
- exabrial 4y ago
  Good point actually
up2isomorphism 4y ago
Take a look at Cuba and you see the consequences

they are kind of 'Surrounded' by Russia and China, there is no other route from Kazahstan to the rest of the world Look at the map, the only other border they have is with a litany of failed states with zero infrastructure or freedom.

mcfedr 4y ago
Russia has infrastructure and freedom?
- mtmail 4y ago
  "only other border" so Russia or China were not meant. The other borders are to Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan.
- breitling 4y ago
  ok. Go easy in the kool-aid.
- walrus01 4y ago
  It has infrastructure, if we mean railways, electrical grid, etc. Freedom, obviously not so much.
  - ansgri 4y ago
    Infrastructure in largest cities, especially Moscow, is world-class. The public transportation is (was?) one of the best globally, most services are digital, banking is very modern with good mobile apps and instantaneous operations. And I really miss the reliable centralized hot water supply and heating.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Have you looked at the map? Would you rather be in Russia or Afghanistan?

ur-whale 4y ago

> Step 1: Break ties with Russia. Easier said than done in the case of Kazakhstan, a country literally stuck between a very sharp rock (Russia) and a very hard place (China). Also, re: doublespeak, in times of war ... it is a well known historical fact that both sides are deeply guilty of this specific sin (in times of war, the first victim is truth as the saying goes), so I'm not sure how what you're asking for is even possible.

lossolo 4y ago

They are already doing that, they are pivoting to China, in 2023 they are leaving substitute of NATO in east, in which Russia plays a big role, they denied helping Russia with war in Ukraine and after newest China-Kazakhstan meeting it's obvious that China will be a new patron of Kazakhstan and also guarantee their territorial integrity.

vhgyu75e6u 4y ago
Translation: we are sticking to whoever allows us to remain in power and keep our status as is.
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ansgri 4y ago

Step 0: get all those tens (hundreds?) of thousands of mostly highly-educated professionals fleeing the military draft to Kazakhstan, Armenia and Georgia (mostly). Even though Russian government says IT workers are exempt, everyone that can flee the country and haven’t done that earlier, runs now. It could be a huge opportunity for these countries’ economies if managed well.

exabrial 4y ago
Good point actually

up2isomorphism 4y ago

Take a look at Cuba and you see the consequences