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I wonder if everyone has a different optimum here based on different eyesight, screen size, and usage patterns. I always have a slightly different zoom on every

I wonder if everyone has a different optimum here based on different eyesight, screen size, and usage patterns. I always have a slightly different zoom on every website I visit. With this one I tend to agree, I can't see enough text at once and the margins seem a bit wide.

FrontAid 4y ago
> I wonder if everyone has a different optimum here based on different eyesight, screen size, and usage patterns. I always have a slightly different zoom on every website I visit. I would think so. And because of that, accessibility is an essential topic. Luckily, this snippet will automatically follow your zoom level and/or font size settings.
- mwcampbell 4y ago
  But it would be better still if browsers offered an opt-in modern default style, to relieve us developers of having to make assumptions about the user's visual needs, which should be the domain of the user agent.
  - WorldMaker 4y ago
    Firefox had that for a long time, hidden in a menu, but discoverable eventually. It also used to have a menu for Alternate Styles when a webpage included named LINKs to alternate styles (allowing pages to have a heavy, preferred default but offer the user other options, without needing to add a "theme picker" in the HTML somewhere). Outside of dedicated "Reader Views" it seems like we've given up on the idea that might be something the browser should do. (Which, I appreciate the "Reader View" as an easier to discover way to do this, even if I think moving it into a "modal" with its own liminal space continues the narrative of the browser moving away from being a "user agent" to being an "application runtime".)
rch 4y ago
Content on the web used to flow pretty well irrespective of those factors. The 'liquid' layout in Adobe's pdf reader works as it should, as does the simplified view in Chrome (which is suspiciously only offered on sites without ads). So, I'm optimistic that simplified layouts are worth pursuing.
- b112 4y ago
  If Google would stop the absurd block on text reflow and resize, on Chrome Android, we'd really be good. Seeing how slick and smooth and beautiful and handy it is on Opera, puts any ridiculous dev team rejections to waste. Text reflow missing from Chrome -- valid proof end user convenience is not a primary concern. I bet text reflow moves ads into the wrong position, thus the decade long block.
  - rch 4y ago
    Designers want the latitude to place ads where they're likely to be effective. How does an ads company which incidentally also provides a browser balance that interest?
    - b112 4y ago
      How does an ads company which incidentally also provides a browser balance that interest? Another argument for forced Alphabet breakup. Browser in one corp, on its lonesome. Amusingly, Alphabet has given us the number of new companies. 26. Maybe Chrome can be called C, Google search G of course, M for gmail, etc.
      - zx8080 4y ago
        >forced Alphabet breakup Who will pay C for browser? A for ads. They will pay only for things they need. Will people (and you?) pay for Chromium browser to compensate its development? It's _expensive_, by the way, to develop that complex project. So I don't really see how G brakeup helps get better browser for free.
jcynix 4y ago
Yeah, the zoom, that almost needs to be customized per website, sigh. But one of the worst misfeatures for old (and maybe not so old) eyes, is the gray text on some "pastel" background. Contrast helps readability (as does a carefully chosen font), but "modern" designers seem to think contrast is bad or outdated or whatever.
- wolpoli 4y ago
  Well modern designers deliver mockup filled with Lorem Ipsum so no one notices that the text is hard to read.
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- bhaak 4y ago
  > but "modern" designers seem to think contrast is bad or outdated or whatever. I think much more reasonable is the assumption that many designers have Macs with good monitors and there you can still read it well. Whereas most people have old or poorly color calibrated monitors where you only get a grey goo.
  - jcynix 4y ago
    I have a state of the art Macbook too, and a good monitor, but I still find light grey text hard to read. Because I have old eyes with suboptimal eyesight. Anyway, it would be reasonable if designers tested their designs with other people on other hardware, instead of thinking "looks fine for me" … at least that's what I learned about design, user interfaces, etc ;-0
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FrontAid 4y ago

> I wonder if everyone has a different optimum here based on different eyesight, screen size, and usage patterns. I always have a slightly different zoom on every website I visit. I would think so. And because of that, accessibility is an essential topic. Luckily, this snippet will automatically follow your zoom level and/or font size settings.

mwcampbell 4y ago
But it would be better still if browsers offered an opt-in modern default style, to relieve us developers of having to make assumptions about the user's visual needs, which should be the domain of the user agent.
- WorldMaker 4y ago
  Firefox had that for a long time, hidden in a menu, but discoverable eventually. It also used to have a menu for Alternate Styles when a webpage included named LINKs to alternate styles (allowing pages to have a heavy, preferred default but offer the user other options, without needing to add a "theme picker" in the HTML somewhere). Outside of dedicated "Reader Views" it seems like we've given up on the idea that might be something the browser should do. (Which, I appreciate the "Reader View" as an easier to discover way to do this, even if I think moving it into a "modal" with its own liminal space continues the narrative of the browser moving away from being a "user agent" to being an "application runtime".)

rch 4y ago

Content on the web used to flow pretty well irrespective of those factors. The 'liquid' layout in Adobe's pdf reader works as it should, as does the simplified view in Chrome (which is suspiciously only offered on sites without ads). So, I'm optimistic that simplified layouts are worth pursuing.

b112 4y ago
If Google would stop the absurd block on text reflow and resize, on Chrome Android, we'd really be good. Seeing how slick and smooth and beautiful and handy it is on Opera, puts any ridiculous dev team rejections to waste. Text reflow missing from Chrome -- valid proof end user convenience is not a primary concern. I bet text reflow moves ads into the wrong position, thus the decade long block.
- rch 4y ago
  Designers want the latitude to place ads where they're likely to be effective. How does an ads company which incidentally also provides a browser balance that interest?
  - b112 4y ago
    How does an ads company which incidentally also provides a browser balance that interest? Another argument for forced Alphabet breakup. Browser in one corp, on its lonesome. Amusingly, Alphabet has given us the number of new companies. 26. Maybe Chrome can be called C, Google search G of course, M for gmail, etc.
    - zx8080 4y ago
      >forced Alphabet breakup Who will pay C for browser? A for ads. They will pay only for things they need. Will people (and you?) pay for Chromium browser to compensate its development? It's _expensive_, by the way, to develop that complex project. So I don't really see how G brakeup helps get better browser for free.

jcynix 4y ago

Yeah, the zoom, that almost needs to be customized per website, sigh. But one of the worst misfeatures for old (and maybe not so old) eyes, is the gray text on some "pastel" background. Contrast helps readability (as does a carefully chosen font), but "modern" designers seem to think contrast is bad or outdated or whatever.

wolpoli 4y ago
Well modern designers deliver mockup filled with Lorem Ipsum so no one notices that the text is hard to read.
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bhaak 4y ago
> but "modern" designers seem to think contrast is bad or outdated or whatever. I think much more reasonable is the assumption that many designers have Macs with good monitors and there you can still read it well. Whereas most people have old or poorly color calibrated monitors where you only get a grey goo.
- jcynix 4y ago
  I have a state of the art Macbook too, and a good monitor, but I still find light grey text hard to read. Because I have old eyes with suboptimal eyesight. Anyway, it would be reasonable if designers tested their designs with other people on other hardware, instead of thinking "looks fine for me" … at least that's what I learned about design, user interfaces, etc ;-0

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