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> Lest they come knocking on your door shortly after? This makes it looks like there is a real risk of Russia invading Germany or any other European country, w

by ailef 4y ago

> Lest they come knocking on your door shortly after? This makes it looks like there is a real risk of Russia invading Germany or any other European country, while they are having difficulties already achieving their goals in Ukraine. In doing that you are also ignoring all the historical factors that contributed to that current situation, which are very specific to Ukraine and go back several decades, and buying into the US propaganda that Putin just went crazy and wants to conquer the whole of Europe for imperialistic goals.

trasz 4y ago
What factors are that?
saiya-jin 4y ago
You are completely incorrect. Russians waged a very similar war in 1956 in Hungary, for exactly same reasons. They killed everybody they wanted, installed very oppressive regime that stayed there for 30+ years. They also invaded my home country of (back then) Czechoslovakia, killed hundreds, and occupied for decades. Oppression, restrictions of basic freedoms, economy down the drain, basic things missing in shops. 200k soviet russian troops to shoot everybody if they decide to ever again think about this pesky democracy and freedom. Europe doesnt begin with Germany on the east, in fact russia is biggest european country based on land size. Ukraine, baltic states, V4 states, Romania, Bulgary, Finland etc would all be under direct threat because whatever made up reasons or twisted history (for some pretty hilarious reasons they chosen "nazis" ignoring the fact that in Russia neonazis are by far the biggest group in whole Europe, and do get quiet support from state itself). There is no limit to russian apetite. The idea that if Ukraine would fell in few days they would stop forever and just be happy with achievement is dangerously naïve. Currently its a state run by mobsters who understand only mobster logic - power, rule of stronger and deterrence. If they could have whole Europe, why not? Obviously they can't seeing how ineffective their army is, but the apetite of big egos is endless
- ailef 4y ago
  You are conflating Russia with the USSR. But besides that, how do you reconcile the fact that Russia is having difficulties defeating Ukraine but yet it would be a meaningful threat not to just one but to 10 or more states (baltic states, V4 states, Romania, Bulgary, Finland etc) which are also NATO members?
tromp 4y ago
> while they are having difficulties already achieving their goals in Ukraine. Because of the Western countries that are getting involved.
- ailef 4y ago
  Exactly. So why should I buy into the narrative that they are gonna be able/it's their intention to invade all the Baltic states, Poland, Romania etc... which are also NATO members?

by ailef 4y ago

trasz 4y ago

What factors are that?

saiya-jin 4y ago

You are completely incorrect. Russians waged a very similar war in 1956 in Hungary, for exactly same reasons. They killed everybody they wanted, installed very oppressive regime that stayed there for 30+ years. They also invaded my home country of (back then) Czechoslovakia, killed hundreds, and occupied for decades. Oppression, restrictions of basic freedoms, economy down the drain, basic things missing in shops. 200k soviet russian troops to shoot everybody if they decide to ever again think about this pesky democracy and freedom. Europe doesnt begin with Germany on the east, in fact russia is biggest european country based on land size. Ukraine, baltic states, V4 states, Romania, Bulgary, Finland etc would all be under direct threat because whatever made up reasons or twisted history (for some pretty hilarious reasons they chosen "nazis" ignoring the fact that in Russia neonazis are by far the biggest group in whole Europe, and do get quiet support from state itself). There is no limit to russian apetite. The idea that if Ukraine would fell in few days they would stop forever and just be happy with achievement is dangerously naïve. Currently its a state run by mobsters who understand only mobster logic - power, rule of stronger and deterrence. If they could have whole Europe, why not? Obviously they can't seeing how ineffective their army is, but the apetite of big egos is endless

ailef 4y ago
You are conflating Russia with the USSR. But besides that, how do you reconcile the fact that Russia is having difficulties defeating Ukraine but yet it would be a meaningful threat not to just one but to 10 or more states (baltic states, V4 states, Romania, Bulgary, Finland etc) which are also NATO members?

tromp 4y ago

> while they are having difficulties already achieving their goals in Ukraine. Because of the Western countries that are getting involved.

ailef 4y ago
Exactly. So why should I buy into the narrative that they are gonna be able/it's their intention to invade all the Baltic states, Poland, Romania etc... which are also NATO members?