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I guess we'll soon see exactly how right or wrong Trumps predictions were in 2018 that Germany was 'captive' to Russia back when the Germans were all laughing a

by pentae 4y ago

I guess we'll soon see exactly how right or wrong Trumps predictions were in 2018 that Germany was 'captive' to Russia back when the Germans were all laughing at him for those comments.

newsclues 4y ago
Soon? Hasn't it be been evident since February? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLZBVTid4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLZBVTid4I
cedilla 4y ago
Well, people were rightfully laughing, considering how Trump was and is such a big fan of Putin.
- bell-cot 4y ago
  When somebody you love to hate points out that your ship is only seaworthy in fair weather...denial isn't just a river in Egypt, is it?
- merpnderp 4y ago
  He was the only major politician pushing for the one thing that would have hurt Russia the most - European energy independence. I’m not sure how people can see how he consistently pushed for real containment of Russia then ignore it to believe he was BFF’s with Putin.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    What sort of bullshit is this? Only major politician pushing for European energy independence? You cannot possibly be serious. This has been talked about, promised on, strategised all across Europe. It's a matter of national policy in countries such as France and Poland, and was always a major talking point in nuclear, hydro, geothermal, solar, wind projects. Trump was just a broken clock.
  - belltaco 4y ago
    >He was the only major politician pushing for the one thing that would have hurt Russia the most - European energy independence No, you're completely wrong. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit/obama-tells-eu-to-do-more-to-cut-reliance-on-russian-gas-idUSBREA2P0W220140326 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit/obama-tells... From where you getting your news?
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  What makes you think he was a fan of Putin?
  - rocketbop 4y ago
    The myriad times Trump publicly praised or expressed his admiration for Putin, presumably.
    - saiya-jin 4y ago
      On top of praising invasion of Ukraine in first days, as brilliant strategic move by brilliant leader (what else, everything he likes is brilliant). Man, I SO much wish for him to be a competent good moral leader, since is slowly inching towards next presidency. As European I don't care if he is republican or democrat at all. Just from that position of extreme power don't make the world a worse place long term for everybody apart form Americans. We all share this tiny planet, what goes around comes around eventually. But there are very few proofs of that, even completely ignoring his twitter brainfarts (which is relatively easy since I dont do twitter, but it leaked into all other news). No reason to expect he will be anyhow different from last time, only more senile/petty. And he was very petty and childish last time. If I had an acquaintance like him around me, I would detest and avoid him simply due to him being a proper a-hole. But its entirely possible that he was good at realpolitik (ie repeatedly praising MBS and Putin since they held a lot of power, yet criticizing chinese as clear competition to US). Its just not very visible outside qanon and similar nutcase ultra right movements which filter media very selectively.
  - clucas 4y ago
    Can't speak for the other commenter, but isn't it obvious? Trump has been praising Putin for years. Here's a recent example: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/trump-putin-ukraine-russia-smart/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/trump-putin-ukraine-... And the stuff he praises isn't just fluff, Trump tends to praise the most illiberal and autocratic parts of Putin's behavior.
- refurb 4y ago
  Well they aren’t laughing now, are they?
rocketbop 4y ago
I don't remember the German government laughing, but they were certainly crossing their fingers (or holding their thumbs) that nothing would go wrong on their watch. The lack of contingency planning is down to a mix of corruption, incompetence, and yes some naivete.
- is_true 4y ago
  There's other comment with the video. But to be honest it's something that was on the agenda since 2006 at least.
kristiandupont 4y ago
Urgh I am so tired of people using this to imply that Trump was a sort of visionary. Yes, he was right, just like the many US presidents and officials before him that had been saying it as well. Just for the record, here is another quote from the man, including his own correction: "My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others saying they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it wouldn't be. [...] I have great confidence in my intelligence people but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today".
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago
overrun11 4y ago
Source here: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1044740334306058241 https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1044740334306058241
DemocracyFTW2 4y ago
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago
varispeed 4y ago
This is common QAnon propaganda trying to legitimise Trump. Trump has not predicted anything as this was a widely known fact. Even Merkel herself was saying that Germany is too dependent on Russian energy (in 2014!) and that imposing sanctions will be difficult. Germans knew that they are dependent and they consciously chose to keep it that way.
mlquantx 4y ago
Germany under Merkel did not expect or advise an aggressive NATO expansion policy. Germany is also far from the only European country that bought Russian gas via Nordstream. Ukraine should have given a non-NATO guarantee in January 2022. As we can see now, NATO is not required for defending Ukraine because it gets massive military help regardless. Instead, Zelensky had his 15 minutes of fame in the Munich "peace" conference, talking about getting nuclear weapons. I don't think Merkel foresaw that kind of stupid escalation. But the U.S. is secure as always.
- danaris 4y ago
  The idea that NATO has been "aggressive" or "expansionist" is Russian propaganda, and you are doing Putin's work by propagating it.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > Ukraine should have given a non-NATO guarantee in January 2022 First, no, no nation should be forced to surrender it's sovereignty in such a manner. Second, if they were in NATO, it would have been a deterrent and they wouldn't have been invaded in the first place. Third, how the hell is it still possible that there are people who believe anything coming out of Russia? They have lied so much it's not even funny, why would you take their lies at face value? Why do you think they wouldn't have invaded anyways? What would have stopped them?
- rini17 4y ago
  By that time Russia already invaded large chunks of Ukraine and their rhetoric "that country/nation should not exist at all" was pervasive. So any delusions of avoiding further escalation were just that, delusions. Germans have big blind spot toward Russia even today, Merkel had little chances to change it even if she wanted.
belltaco 4y ago
Obama said it first. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit/obama-tells-eu-to-do-more-to-cut-reliance-on-russian-gas-idUSBREA2P0W220140326 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit/obama-tells...

by pentae 4y ago

I guess we'll soon see exactly how right or wrong Trumps predictions were in 2018 that Germany was 'captive' to Russia back when the Germans were all laughing at him for those comments.

newsclues 4y ago

Soon? Hasn't it be been evident since February? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLZBVTid4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLZBVTid4I

cedilla 4y ago

Well, people were rightfully laughing, considering how Trump was and is such a big fan of Putin.

bell-cot 4y ago
When somebody you love to hate points out that your ship is only seaworthy in fair weather...denial isn't just a river in Egypt, is it?
merpnderp 4y ago
He was the only major politician pushing for the one thing that would have hurt Russia the most - European energy independence. I’m not sure how people can see how he consistently pushed for real containment of Russia then ignore it to believe he was BFF’s with Putin.
- sofixa 4y ago
  What sort of bullshit is this? Only major politician pushing for European energy independence? You cannot possibly be serious. This has been talked about, promised on, strategised all across Europe. It's a matter of national policy in countries such as France and Poland, and was always a major talking point in nuclear, hydro, geothermal, solar, wind projects. Trump was just a broken clock.
- belltaco 4y ago
  >He was the only major politician pushing for the one thing that would have hurt Russia the most - European energy independence No, you're completely wrong. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit/obama-tells-eu-to-do-more-to-cut-reliance-on-russian-gas-idUSBREA2P0W220140326 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit/obama-tells... From where you getting your news?
commandlinefan 4y ago
What makes you think he was a fan of Putin?
- rocketbop 4y ago
  The myriad times Trump publicly praised or expressed his admiration for Putin, presumably.
  - saiya-jin 4y ago
    On top of praising invasion of Ukraine in first days, as brilliant strategic move by brilliant leader (what else, everything he likes is brilliant). Man, I SO much wish for him to be a competent good moral leader, since is slowly inching towards next presidency. As European I don't care if he is republican or democrat at all. Just from that position of extreme power don't make the world a worse place long term for everybody apart form Americans. We all share this tiny planet, what goes around comes around eventually. But there are very few proofs of that, even completely ignoring his twitter brainfarts (which is relatively easy since I dont do twitter, but it leaked into all other news). No reason to expect he will be anyhow different from last time, only more senile/petty. And he was very petty and childish last time. If I had an acquaintance like him around me, I would detest and avoid him simply due to him being a proper a-hole. But its entirely possible that he was good at realpolitik (ie repeatedly praising MBS and Putin since they held a lot of power, yet criticizing chinese as clear competition to US). Its just not very visible outside qanon and similar nutcase ultra right movements which filter media very selectively.
- clucas 4y ago
  Can't speak for the other commenter, but isn't it obvious? Trump has been praising Putin for years. Here's a recent example: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/trump-putin-ukraine-russia-smart/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/trump-putin-ukraine-... And the stuff he praises isn't just fluff, Trump tends to praise the most illiberal and autocratic parts of Putin's behavior.
refurb 4y ago
Well they aren’t laughing now, are they?

rocketbop 4y ago

I don't remember the German government laughing, but they were certainly crossing their fingers (or holding their thumbs) that nothing would go wrong on their watch. The lack of contingency planning is down to a mix of corruption, incompetence, and yes some naivete.

is_true 4y ago
There's other comment with the video. But to be honest it's something that was on the agenda since 2006 at least.

kristiandupont 4y ago

Urgh I am so tired of people using this to imply that Trump was a sort of visionary. Yes, he was right, just like the many US presidents and officials before him that had been saying it as well. Just for the record, here is another quote from the man, including his own correction: "My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others saying they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it wouldn't be. [...] I have great confidence in my intelligence people but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today".

Slava_Propanei 4y ago

overrun11 4y ago

Source here: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1044740334306058241 https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1044740334306058241

DemocracyFTW2 4y ago

Slava_Propanei 4y ago

varispeed 4y ago

This is common QAnon propaganda trying to legitimise Trump. Trump has not predicted anything as this was a widely known fact. Even Merkel herself was saying that Germany is too dependent on Russian energy (in 2014!) and that imposing sanctions will be difficult. Germans knew that they are dependent and they consciously chose to keep it that way.

mlquantx 4y ago

Germany under Merkel did not expect or advise an aggressive NATO expansion policy. Germany is also far from the only European country that bought Russian gas via Nordstream. Ukraine should have given a non-NATO guarantee in January 2022. As we can see now, NATO is not required for defending Ukraine because it gets massive military help regardless. Instead, Zelensky had his 15 minutes of fame in the Munich "peace" conference, talking about getting nuclear weapons. I don't think Merkel foresaw that kind of stupid escalation. But the U.S. is secure as always.

danaris 4y ago
The idea that NATO has been "aggressive" or "expansionist" is Russian propaganda, and you are doing Putin's work by propagating it.
sofixa 4y ago
> Ukraine should have given a non-NATO guarantee in January 2022 First, no, no nation should be forced to surrender it's sovereignty in such a manner. Second, if they were in NATO, it would have been a deterrent and they wouldn't have been invaded in the first place. Third, how the hell is it still possible that there are people who believe anything coming out of Russia? They have lied so much it's not even funny, why would you take their lies at face value? Why do you think they wouldn't have invaded anyways? What would have stopped them?
rini17 4y ago
By that time Russia already invaded large chunks of Ukraine and their rhetoric "that country/nation should not exist at all" was pervasive. So any delusions of avoiding further escalation were just that, delusions. Germans have big blind spot toward Russia even today, Merkel had little chances to change it even if she wanted.

belltaco 4y ago

Obama said it first. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit/obama-tells-eu-to-do-more-to-cut-reliance-on-russian-gas-idUSBREA2P0W220140326 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-eu-summit/obama-tells...