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Vacuum everything constantly and then horde it like Smaug, if Smaug was an unscrupulous salesman in a polyester suit? But somehow this is ok because within Goo

by jfghi 4y ago

Vacuum everything constantly and then horde it like Smaug, if Smaug was an unscrupulous salesman in a polyester suit? But somehow this is ok because within Google the common employee doesn’t have access, but is rather incentivized to make the vacuum or selling more efficient?

smoldesu 4y ago
Are you under the impression that the rest of FAANG doesn't do this? If so, I've got some big news for you... When people talk about 'security' at Amazon/Microsoft/Google/Apple, they're describing audit performance and ISO compliance. From a business perspective, that's really the only thing that matters. Everything else is played pretty fast-and-loose. Both Apple and Microsoft have been caught backdooring their infrastructure for foreign governments, if anyone out there still has faith in these companies then I hope they stop taking life advice from VC heads.
- jfghi 4y ago
  Disagreeing with the practices of one company doesn’t indicate support of companies with potentially similar practices.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- mastazi 4y ago
  I agree with your second paragraph, but I don't understand the point of the first? Are you saying that Google can be forgiven, since its competitors do the same?
  - djbusby 4y ago
    They're saying everyone does it and it's NOT OK for all of them.
- GeekyBear 4y ago
  > Are you under the impression that the rest of FAANG doesn't do this? All data collection practices are not equal. >Google Tracks 39 Types of Private Data, the Highest Among Big Tech Companies Google takes the cake when it comes to tracking most of your data. This should not surprise, given that their entire business model relies on data. Twitter and Facebook both save more information than they need to. However, with Facebook, most of the data they store is information users enter. Apple is in a league above Amazon in protecting user privacy. It is the most privacy-conscious firm out there. Apple only stores the information that is necessary to maintain users’ accounts. https://stockapps.com/blog/google-tracks-39-types-of-private-data-the-highest-among-big-tech-companies/ https://stockapps.com/blog/google-tracks-39-types-of-private...
  - lrvick 4y ago
    You are giving Apple too much credit here. Apple can plaintext any iMessage if they wish with their signing keys for the servers that exchange user encryption keys. Why do you think the CCP demanded control of those servers for chinese residents? Just because Apple has a profit model other than adtech does not mean they are making choices that prioritize immutable privacy. Apple could have folded, like even (old) Google did, and refused to comply with the CCP but shareholders would have been too upset seeing the price go down. Successful publicly traded companies will almost always do the most profitable thing legally possible, no matter how evil.
    - artificial 4y ago
      Businesses must follow the laws of the jurisdictions they operate in. Technology cannot outrun the legal system for long.

by jfghi 4y ago

smoldesu 4y ago

Are you under the impression that the rest of FAANG doesn't do this? If so, I've got some big news for you... When people talk about 'security' at Amazon/Microsoft/Google/Apple, they're describing audit performance and ISO compliance. From a business perspective, that's really the only thing that matters. Everything else is played pretty fast-and-loose. Both Apple and Microsoft have been caught backdooring their infrastructure for foreign governments, if anyone out there still has faith in these companies then I hope they stop taking life advice from VC heads.

jfghi 4y ago
Disagreeing with the practices of one company doesn’t indicate support of companies with potentially similar practices.
- deleted 4y ago
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mastazi 4y ago
I agree with your second paragraph, but I don't understand the point of the first? Are you saying that Google can be forgiven, since its competitors do the same?
- djbusby 4y ago
  They're saying everyone does it and it's NOT OK for all of them.
GeekyBear 4y ago
> Are you under the impression that the rest of FAANG doesn't do this? All data collection practices are not equal. >Google Tracks 39 Types of Private Data, the Highest Among Big Tech Companies Google takes the cake when it comes to tracking most of your data. This should not surprise, given that their entire business model relies on data. Twitter and Facebook both save more information than they need to. However, with Facebook, most of the data they store is information users enter. Apple is in a league above Amazon in protecting user privacy. It is the most privacy-conscious firm out there. Apple only stores the information that is necessary to maintain users’ accounts. https://stockapps.com/blog/google-tracks-39-types-of-private-data-the-highest-among-big-tech-companies/ https://stockapps.com/blog/google-tracks-39-types-of-private...
- lrvick 4y ago
  You are giving Apple too much credit here. Apple can plaintext any iMessage if they wish with their signing keys for the servers that exchange user encryption keys. Why do you think the CCP demanded control of those servers for chinese residents? Just because Apple has a profit model other than adtech does not mean they are making choices that prioritize immutable privacy. Apple could have folded, like even (old) Google did, and refused to comply with the CCP but shareholders would have been too upset seeing the price go down. Successful publicly traded companies will almost always do the most profitable thing legally possible, no matter how evil.
  - artificial 4y ago
    Businesses must follow the laws of the jurisdictions they operate in. Technology cannot outrun the legal system for long.