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What are these meat eaters consuming that’s giving them hundreds of grams of protein per day? A 14oz ribeye is only 98 grams of protein and I hardly think typic

What are these meat eaters consuming that’s giving them hundreds of grams of protein per day? A 14oz ribeye is only 98 grams of protein and I hardly think typical meat eaters are consuming those for every meal.

nu11ptr 4y ago
Only? That is one meal. Many eat three meals and snacks. Very easy to hit 150g of protein in a day consuming meat. There is a good comment below on the breakdowns.
- netmonk 4y ago
  as far as beef is around 20% protein, 150g of protein are equivalent to 800of beef a day.
pvaldes 4y ago
> What are these meat eaters consuming? Everything. To start, the term "meat eater" is not only stupid, but also deliberately deceitful. People that eat meat eat also vegetables, legumes, fish, eggs, milk and a diet that is as much wider as they want. There is not such thing as hypercarnivore humans that eat only meat and water. The correct term is omnivore. If vegans want to be taken seriously, they must start talking seriously and don't rely on cheap tricks.
- jraph 4y ago
  "Meat eater" just means "someone who eats meat". You really are reading too much into this expression. There's nothing in it that says that you eat meat exclusively. You are also a computer user, but that does not prevent you from using a knife, or any other tool. You should not find the expression "meat eater" offensive, unless you somehow find that eating meat is wrong in some kind of way (in which case, do yourself a favor, do something to solve the discrepancy). There's nothing deceitful in "meat eater", it actually cannot get clearer. It also does not bear any judgement. Of course, that does not mean a vegetarian won't judge you, but this won't be conveyed by using this expression alone ("You damn meat eater" would of course be very different in this respect). > The correct term is omnivore "An omnivore is an animal that has the ability to eat and survive on both plant and animal matter" [1]. Omnivore is not "eats meat and plant matters", it is "can eat meat and plant matters" (biologically speaking). Which applies to vegetarian. "Omnivore" relates to a species and is not really adequate to qualify an individual / is ambiguous. Also, on a personal note, I hope that you are not waiting for vegans to prepare you a professional presentation and "look serious" for you to think about the topic. I think they should make sure to give a good impression, but that's not their job. You do you. The topic is highly documented at this point in all the directions you could imagine. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore
  - belorn 4y ago
    Research papers use the term omnivorous diet. Language always has multiple aspect to it, including if an expression is neutral, negative or positive. If one wanted to use a slightly negative version of omnivorous diet they call it meat eater, and if they want a slightly negative version of a vegetarian diet they call it bunny food. Here is an example of a research paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667136/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667136/ The title is: Comparison of nutritional quality of the vegan, vegetarian, semi-vegetarian, pesco-vegetarian and omnivorous diet. The word vegetarian was created in 1847 by a British society club in order to promote a specific way of living, one with a strong connection to the temperance movement and a sect of the Christian church.
    - jraph 4y ago
      omnivorous diet sounds fine indeed. > one with a strong connection to the temperance movement and a sect of the Christian church. Appeared in 1839 [1], popularized in 1847 by the Vegetarian Society [2] apparently. Do you have a source for the sect thing? Anyway, this would not reflect today's reality. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vegetarian https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vegetarian [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_Society
- tomcam 4y ago
  > There is not such thing as hypercarnivore humans that eat only meat and water. Not true. Look up "lion diet", "carnivore diet", and the like. Tons of anecdotal reports that people with hard-to-treat autoimmune diseases are benefitting. Yes, I know "anecdotal"; I emphasized it already. Might be bunk. I don't care either way. But it is a growing movement.
  - pvaldes 4y ago
    Ok, not a common case, but far point. That would the real opposite then. When people talks about vegetarian versus "meat eaters" don't use it in this sense normally. Is often used by vegetarians as a synonym of fast food diet or "Mcdonalds diet" or "extreme obesity diet". They often flag this red-meat herring, and this is not really fair. And then we are told that vegetarian diet is more healthy because X,Y and Z good stuff coming in plants A,B & C. But they forget to notice that omnivores receive exactly the same healthy benefits from exactly the same ingredients in their diets, because they also eat A,B and C. Plus the proven benefits that came from eating meat, fish or eggs.
    - tomcam 4y ago
      I'm with you on all of that. I believe the carnivore diet thing could lead to some interesting insights once falsifiable tests can be created.
- lfpeb8b45ez 4y ago
  Check out the carnivore diet.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  The person you are responding to eats meat. Why should what they say change whether you take vegans seriously?
- ravenstine 4y ago
  > There is not such thing as hypercarnivore humans that eat only meat and water. Rubbish. I'm not trying to be rude. This is an ignorant idea that needs to stop being parroted. Plenty of people can and do subsist on meat and water. Skeletal muscle from cattle alone has everything one needs to thrive. A normal and healthy human can eat nothing but meat (possibly not even water directly) and remain healthy. Go talk to some "carnivores." Yes, there are crazies as there are with every single group of humans, including vegans. You will find that there are individuals who have eaten solely meat for years and have not suffered a single issue that most non-carnivores believe will happen.
  - pvaldes 4y ago
    > Skeletal muscle from cattle alone has everything one needs to thrive. A normal and healthy human can eat nothing but meat and remain healthy. Red meat don't has two essential omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids that we need to survive. If they are frying their meat in vegetable oil to avoid that, sorry, but they aren't eating just meat. They are eating plants also
    - Amezarak 4y ago
      I'd be happy to agree that I'm doubtful this is the best way to get your nutrients, but what omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids are you talking about? Red meat definitely does contain omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids generally. This is one of the reasons to prefer grass vs grain fed beef - the former has a much better omega-6 to omega-3 ratio.
    - netmonk 4y ago
      The error is to consider them as ESSENTIAL. Which obviously they arent.
      - pvaldes 4y ago
        > The error is to consider them as ESSENTIAL. Which obviously they arent. Not, the error is dismissing all proven facts in nutrition and thinking that we know better. When something is called an essential nutrient, we need to include it in our diet if we want to remain alive. Is a simple as this. Lets forget about the special fatty acids that we need and go with an easier example. Your bold claim that "Skeletal muscle from cattle alone has everything one needs to thrive" would led us directly to die by scurvy. Muscle is not a reliable source of ascorbic acid, and we need it to manage correctly our urea metabolism. So we need to add a source of Vitamin C, that comes typically in fruits. Yes, can be found also in liver of some animals, but liver is not skeletal muscle, so your previous claim is incorrect.
- netmonk 4y ago
  As a Carnivore, i mostly only eat beef, with salt and butter.

nu11ptr 4y ago

Only? That is one meal. Many eat three meals and snacks. Very easy to hit 150g of protein in a day consuming meat. There is a good comment below on the breakdowns.

netmonk 4y ago
as far as beef is around 20% protein, 150g of protein are equivalent to 800of beef a day.

pvaldes 4y ago

> What are these meat eaters consuming? Everything. To start, the term "meat eater" is not only stupid, but also deliberately deceitful. People that eat meat eat also vegetables, legumes, fish, eggs, milk and a diet that is as much wider as they want. There is not such thing as hypercarnivore humans that eat only meat and water. The correct term is omnivore. If vegans want to be taken seriously, they must start talking seriously and don't rely on cheap tricks.

jraph 4y ago
"Meat eater" just means "someone who eats meat". You really are reading too much into this expression. There's nothing in it that says that you eat meat exclusively. You are also a computer user, but that does not prevent you from using a knife, or any other tool. You should not find the expression "meat eater" offensive, unless you somehow find that eating meat is wrong in some kind of way (in which case, do yourself a favor, do something to solve the discrepancy). There's nothing deceitful in "meat eater", it actually cannot get clearer. It also does not bear any judgement. Of course, that does not mean a vegetarian won't judge you, but this won't be conveyed by using this expression alone ("You damn meat eater" would of course be very different in this respect). > The correct term is omnivore "An omnivore is an animal that has the ability to eat and survive on both plant and animal matter" [1]. Omnivore is not "eats meat and plant matters", it is "can eat meat and plant matters" (biologically speaking). Which applies to vegetarian. "Omnivore" relates to a species and is not really adequate to qualify an individual / is ambiguous. Also, on a personal note, I hope that you are not waiting for vegans to prepare you a professional presentation and "look serious" for you to think about the topic. I think they should make sure to give a good impression, but that's not their job. You do you. The topic is highly documented at this point in all the directions you could imagine. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore
- belorn 4y ago
  Research papers use the term omnivorous diet. Language always has multiple aspect to it, including if an expression is neutral, negative or positive. If one wanted to use a slightly negative version of omnivorous diet they call it meat eater, and if they want a slightly negative version of a vegetarian diet they call it bunny food. Here is an example of a research paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667136/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667136/ The title is: Comparison of nutritional quality of the vegan, vegetarian, semi-vegetarian, pesco-vegetarian and omnivorous diet. The word vegetarian was created in 1847 by a British society club in order to promote a specific way of living, one with a strong connection to the temperance movement and a sect of the Christian church.
  - jraph 4y ago
    omnivorous diet sounds fine indeed. > one with a strong connection to the temperance movement and a sect of the Christian church. Appeared in 1839 [1], popularized in 1847 by the Vegetarian Society [2] apparently. Do you have a source for the sect thing? Anyway, this would not reflect today's reality. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vegetarian https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vegetarian [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_Society
tomcam 4y ago
> There is not such thing as hypercarnivore humans that eat only meat and water. Not true. Look up "lion diet", "carnivore diet", and the like. Tons of anecdotal reports that people with hard-to-treat autoimmune diseases are benefitting. Yes, I know "anecdotal"; I emphasized it already. Might be bunk. I don't care either way. But it is a growing movement.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  Ok, not a common case, but far point. That would the real opposite then. When people talks about vegetarian versus "meat eaters" don't use it in this sense normally. Is often used by vegetarians as a synonym of fast food diet or "Mcdonalds diet" or "extreme obesity diet". They often flag this red-meat herring, and this is not really fair. And then we are told that vegetarian diet is more healthy because X,Y and Z good stuff coming in plants A,B & C. But they forget to notice that omnivores receive exactly the same healthy benefits from exactly the same ingredients in their diets, because they also eat A,B and C. Plus the proven benefits that came from eating meat, fish or eggs.
  - tomcam 4y ago
    I'm with you on all of that. I believe the carnivore diet thing could lead to some interesting insights once falsifiable tests can be created.
lfpeb8b45ez 4y ago
Check out the carnivore diet.
lern_too_spel 4y ago
The person you are responding to eats meat. Why should what they say change whether you take vegans seriously?
ravenstine 4y ago
> There is not such thing as hypercarnivore humans that eat only meat and water. Rubbish. I'm not trying to be rude. This is an ignorant idea that needs to stop being parroted. Plenty of people can and do subsist on meat and water. Skeletal muscle from cattle alone has everything one needs to thrive. A normal and healthy human can eat nothing but meat (possibly not even water directly) and remain healthy. Go talk to some "carnivores." Yes, there are crazies as there are with every single group of humans, including vegans. You will find that there are individuals who have eaten solely meat for years and have not suffered a single issue that most non-carnivores believe will happen.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  > Skeletal muscle from cattle alone has everything one needs to thrive. A normal and healthy human can eat nothing but meat and remain healthy. Red meat don't has two essential omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids that we need to survive. If they are frying their meat in vegetable oil to avoid that, sorry, but they aren't eating just meat. They are eating plants also
  - Amezarak 4y ago
    I'd be happy to agree that I'm doubtful this is the best way to get your nutrients, but what omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids are you talking about? Red meat definitely does contain omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids generally. This is one of the reasons to prefer grass vs grain fed beef - the former has a much better omega-6 to omega-3 ratio.
  - netmonk 4y ago
    The error is to consider them as ESSENTIAL. Which obviously they arent.
    - pvaldes 4y ago
      > The error is to consider them as ESSENTIAL. Which obviously they arent. Not, the error is dismissing all proven facts in nutrition and thinking that we know better. When something is called an essential nutrient, we need to include it in our diet if we want to remain alive. Is a simple as this. Lets forget about the special fatty acids that we need and go with an easier example. Your bold claim that "Skeletal muscle from cattle alone has everything one needs to thrive" would led us directly to die by scurvy. Muscle is not a reliable source of ascorbic acid, and we need it to manage correctly our urea metabolism. So we need to add a source of Vitamin C, that comes typically in fruits. Yes, can be found also in liver of some animals, but liver is not skeletal muscle, so your previous claim is incorrect.
netmonk 4y ago
As a Carnivore, i mostly only eat beef, with salt and butter.