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People say "it's hard to get adequate amounts of protein" as a vegetarian/vegan, but really people don't need the hundreds of grams of protein a day a typical m

People say "it's hard to get adequate amounts of protein" as a vegetarian/vegan, but really people don't need the hundreds of grams of protein a day a typical meat eater gets. Just 50-60 grams a day is fine even by the USDA (which if anything has been criticized as being beholden to the US meat and dairy industries and as such that estimate is if anything an overestimate). It's really not that hard to get 50-60 grams of protein from non-animal sources without even trying.

Amezarak 4y ago
Anecdotally 50-60 grams protein is definitely not enough for me, I would guess people consuming that figure generally have very little lean body mass.
nu11ptr 4y ago
I do not think that is enough, and by the look of the body mass of most people I see, most don't get enough.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  Most people don’t pump iron, especially not enough to gain any real bulk.
tanaros 4y ago
What are these meat eaters consuming that’s giving them hundreds of grams of protein per day? A 14oz ribeye is only 98 grams of protein and I hardly think typical meat eaters are consuming those for every meal.
- nu11ptr 4y ago
  Only? That is one meal. Many eat three meals and snacks. Very easy to hit 150g of protein in a day consuming meat. There is a good comment below on the breakdowns.
  - netmonk 4y ago
    as far as beef is around 20% protein, 150g of protein are equivalent to 800of beef a day.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  > What are these meat eaters consuming? Everything. To start, the term "meat eater" is not only stupid, but also deliberately deceitful. People that eat meat eat also vegetables, legumes, fish, eggs, milk and a diet that is as much wider as they want. There is not such thing as hypercarnivore humans that eat only meat and water. The correct term is omnivore. If vegans want to be taken seriously, they must start talking seriously and don't rely on cheap tricks.
  - jraph 4y ago
    "Meat eater" just means "someone who eats meat". You really are reading too much into this expression. There's nothing in it that says that you eat meat exclusively. You are also a computer user, but that does not prevent you from using a knife, or any other tool. You should not find the expression "meat eater" offensive, unless you somehow find that eating meat is wrong in some kind of way (in which case, do yourself a favor, do something to solve the discrepancy). There's nothing deceitful in "meat eater", it actually cannot get clearer. It also does not bear any judgement. Of course, that does not mean a vegetarian won't judge you, but this won't be conveyed by using this expression alone ("You damn meat eater" would of course be very different in this respect). > The correct term is omnivore "An omnivore is an animal that has the ability to eat and survive on both plant and animal matter" [1]. Omnivore is not "eats meat and plant matters", it is "can eat meat and plant matters" (biologically speaking). Which applies to vegetarian. "Omnivore" relates to a species and is not really adequate to qualify an individual / is ambiguous. Also, on a personal note, I hope that you are not waiting for vegans to prepare you a professional presentation and "look serious" for you to think about the topic. I think they should make sure to give a good impression, but that's not their job. You do you. The topic is highly documented at this point in all the directions you could imagine. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore
    - belorn 4y ago
      Research papers use the term omnivorous diet. Language always has multiple aspect to it, including if an expression is neutral, negative or positive. If one wanted to use a slightly negative version of omnivorous diet they call it meat eater, and if they want a slightly negative version of a vegetarian diet they call it bunny food. Here is an example of a research paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667136/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667136/ The title is: Comparison of nutritional quality of the vegan, vegetarian, semi-vegetarian, pesco-vegetarian and omnivorous diet. The word vegetarian was created in 1847 by a British society club in order to promote a specific way of living, one with a strong connection to the temperance movement and a sect of the Christian church.
neuralRiot 4y ago
I’m currently on a short bulk so getting about 200g a day, 50~60g is my breakfast (this is from plants)
netmonk 4y ago
That's wrong, official protein intake has been largely under-estimated...Study shows. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19841581/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19841581/ Evidence that protein requirements have been significantly underestimated Rajavel Elango 1, Mohammad A Humayun, Ronald O Ball, Paul B Pencharz Affiliations expand PMID: 19841581 DOI: 10.1097/MCO.0b013e328332f9b7

Amezarak 4y ago

Anecdotally 50-60 grams protein is definitely not enough for me, I would guess people consuming that figure generally have very little lean body mass.

nu11ptr 4y ago

I do not think that is enough, and by the look of the body mass of most people I see, most don't get enough.

hombre_fatal 4y ago
Most people don’t pump iron, especially not enough to gain any real bulk.

tanaros 4y ago

What are these meat eaters consuming that’s giving them hundreds of grams of protein per day? A 14oz ribeye is only 98 grams of protein and I hardly think typical meat eaters are consuming those for every meal.

nu11ptr 4y ago
Only? That is one meal. Many eat three meals and snacks. Very easy to hit 150g of protein in a day consuming meat. There is a good comment below on the breakdowns.
- netmonk 4y ago
  as far as beef is around 20% protein, 150g of protein are equivalent to 800of beef a day.
pvaldes 4y ago
> What are these meat eaters consuming? Everything. To start, the term "meat eater" is not only stupid, but also deliberately deceitful. People that eat meat eat also vegetables, legumes, fish, eggs, milk and a diet that is as much wider as they want. There is not such thing as hypercarnivore humans that eat only meat and water. The correct term is omnivore. If vegans want to be taken seriously, they must start talking seriously and don't rely on cheap tricks.
- jraph 4y ago
  "Meat eater" just means "someone who eats meat". You really are reading too much into this expression. There's nothing in it that says that you eat meat exclusively. You are also a computer user, but that does not prevent you from using a knife, or any other tool. You should not find the expression "meat eater" offensive, unless you somehow find that eating meat is wrong in some kind of way (in which case, do yourself a favor, do something to solve the discrepancy). There's nothing deceitful in "meat eater", it actually cannot get clearer. It also does not bear any judgement. Of course, that does not mean a vegetarian won't judge you, but this won't be conveyed by using this expression alone ("You damn meat eater" would of course be very different in this respect). > The correct term is omnivore "An omnivore is an animal that has the ability to eat and survive on both plant and animal matter" [1]. Omnivore is not "eats meat and plant matters", it is "can eat meat and plant matters" (biologically speaking). Which applies to vegetarian. "Omnivore" relates to a species and is not really adequate to qualify an individual / is ambiguous. Also, on a personal note, I hope that you are not waiting for vegans to prepare you a professional presentation and "look serious" for you to think about the topic. I think they should make sure to give a good impression, but that's not their job. You do you. The topic is highly documented at this point in all the directions you could imagine. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore
  - belorn 4y ago
    Research papers use the term omnivorous diet. Language always has multiple aspect to it, including if an expression is neutral, negative or positive. If one wanted to use a slightly negative version of omnivorous diet they call it meat eater, and if they want a slightly negative version of a vegetarian diet they call it bunny food. Here is an example of a research paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667136/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24667136/ The title is: Comparison of nutritional quality of the vegan, vegetarian, semi-vegetarian, pesco-vegetarian and omnivorous diet. The word vegetarian was created in 1847 by a British society club in order to promote a specific way of living, one with a strong connection to the temperance movement and a sect of the Christian church.

neuralRiot 4y ago

I’m currently on a short bulk so getting about 200g a day, 50~60g is my breakfast (this is from plants)

netmonk 4y ago

That's wrong, official protein intake has been largely under-estimated...Study shows. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19841581/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19841581/ Evidence that protein requirements have been significantly underestimated Rajavel Elango 1, Mohammad A Humayun, Ronald O Ball, Paul B Pencharz Affiliations expand PMID: 19841581 DOI: 10.1097/MCO.0b013e328332f9b7