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> "No longer does one simply roll the dice and go" Nonsense. Unless I'm actively going somewhere for a specific time (interview, doctor, what not), almost eve

> "No longer does one simply roll the dice and go" Nonsense. Unless I'm actively going somewhere for a specific time (interview, doctor, what not), almost every one of my walks will include a "I've not been down that road before" diversion. Or a "Oh, an SSVI[1] sign down that alley!" diversion. etc.etc. (And I think 99.9% of those walks since 2011 has been with an iPhone in hand.) > A device that forces us to look down and ignore changes in light. Gibberish nonsense. People choose to look at their phones because their friends and family are in there, because they want to catch up on the news, or any one of a thousand other valid reasons that aren't "THE PHONE MAKES THEM LOOK!!!!" [1] Sprinkler Stop Valve Inside

GekkePrutser 4y ago
Indeed, I will only use my phone for navigation when I'm truly lost and in a hurry. And when I have multiple options I favor the road not taken before. It helps maintain the sense of direction and awareness. It's like being a passenger in a car not being aware of where they are because they're not involved in the navigation process.
majewsky 4y ago
I don't agree with the implication that "the phone makes them look" is not a valid reason. The term "dark pattern" is 12 years old at this point, and we have had plenty of evidence that software companies are explicitly optimizing for engagement and using findings from psychology to do so.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  If "the phone makes them look" (via dark patterns or whatever), then everyone with an phone (or specifically iPhone according to the gibberish of the blog post) would surely have them out all the time whilst walking, commuting, etc. But they don't. Even on my currently limited interactions with the outside world, I see most people not staring down at a phone whilst walking. Even on a bus, where it's much safer to have your phone out (London still suffers from opportunist phone grabbers), it's nowhere near 100%. [Caveat: I am not on all buses at all times, there may be buses where it hits 100%]

GekkePrutser 4y ago

Indeed, I will only use my phone for navigation when I'm truly lost and in a hurry. And when I have multiple options I favor the road not taken before. It helps maintain the sense of direction and awareness. It's like being a passenger in a car not being aware of where they are because they're not involved in the navigation process.

majewsky 4y ago

I don't agree with the implication that "the phone makes them look" is not a valid reason. The term "dark pattern" is 12 years old at this point, and we have had plenty of evidence that software companies are explicitly optimizing for engagement and using findings from psychology to do so.

zimpenfish 4y ago
If "the phone makes them look" (via dark patterns or whatever), then everyone with an phone (or specifically iPhone according to the gibberish of the blog post) would surely have them out all the time whilst walking, commuting, etc. But they don't. Even on my currently limited interactions with the outside world, I see most people not staring down at a phone whilst walking. Even on a bus, where it's much safer to have your phone out (London still suffers from opportunist phone grabbers), it's nowhere near 100%. [Caveat: I am not on all buses at all times, there may be buses where it hits 100%]