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I learned how to code when I was twelve. I wouldn't have if I didn't in some degree enjoy the actual act of coding, the moment to moment typing on the keyboard,

I learned how to code when I was twelve. I wouldn't have if I didn't in some degree enjoy the actual act of coding, the moment to moment typing on the keyboard, composing algorithms, designing data structures and logical flows. But in the back of my mind I also always regarded coding as a means to an end. Sure I became engaged in language design battles, API design philosophy, but the magic with computers was always, for me, that you could create something from nothing, this totally metaphysical creativity, really. To some extent I see this passion transgressing to other spheres, such as management, communication, planning across departments, office politics. As an adult, I don't play video games, and artistic pursuits and ideals have also become more abstract, the particularities more sedimented, incorporated in the grand scheme of Life. On top of that, the fact is that most programming jobs are glorified plumbing. I'm reconciling with the fact that the romantic days of hacking are perhaps a thing of my passed. I don't really listen to music the way I did as a teenager, so I can't expect programming to remain the same either.

marginalia_nu 4y ago
I have a similar background, but still find programming very rewarding. Not at my day job, that is and has always been a series of mundane chores. I sadly think expecting to get paid for stimulating programming is fairly unrealistic. There is just not a lot of market for solving interesting problems or designing well-optimized code. I find other avenues to build interesting things instead. At 35, I'm able to build things that I could never have when I was 15 or 20 or 25. I have so much more experience with what works, I'm much better at identifying which decisions matter, and which corners can be cut.
- erwincoumans 4y ago
  Doing interesting programming work is not unrealistic, but you need to make it a priority if you care for your day job. 3D graphics, robotics, physics simulation and AI/deep learning are still exciting to me after decades.
- visarga 4y ago
  > expecting to get paid for stimulating programming is fairly unrealistic Works for me in ML.
pluijzer 4y ago
The magic, curiosity and joy I had also faded for me once. Like you say, much of my jobs included lots of plumbing. For work the elegant solutions that gave me joy would be seen as anti-patterns. The languages I enjoy would scuffed at as being relics. The problems I enjoy seen as useless because there are already solved in bloated over complex enterprise libraries. When I would program for myself in the weekend I wanted to work on problems that would look good on my CV. Focus on techniques and languages that will be beneficial for my carrier. Soon also my hobby coding became a lot less enjoyable. I then decided to seperate my hobby and carrier. In my spare time I started working on the things that fascinated me. Implementing operating systems, creating software rendered 3d engines, compilers etc. All from scratch. All in my favorite language (which is Common Lisp for me). Not caring if it would bring me money once, not worrying if anybody would use it or wanting to put it on my CV once. The only reason that is to enjoy it. Straight away the magic I felt as a kid about computers came back in full strength. It hasn't faded since. And the funny thing... I started enjoying my enterprisy work also again. Already getting my coding passion fix in another way I could appreciate my work and the way of working for what it is.
- visarga 4y ago
  The cure to burnout - give yourself ample time to play and be inspired.
- voidfunc 4y ago
  This is why I'm starring to get interested in games programming. It is so far removed from the kind of code I do for a living that it is a lot of fun and recaptured the magic of learning to code when I was 11ish.
- spfzero 4y ago
  Same here (separate hobby from career). I needed to let myself re-discover the things that made it magical, switch from resume-building as my goal, to "what would be fun for me to do now?".
scarface74 4y ago
I learned to code at 12 in 1986 in 65C02 assembly language. By the time I graduated from college in 1996, I had done hobby programming in assembly in four processors. I didn’t do a single side project from 1996 to present unless it was just to learn a new to me technology for my next job. During that time, I was a part time fitness instructor as a hobby, I trained for half marathons with friends, dabbled in real estate until around 2009 (guess how that worked out), got remarried, raised two (step) sons and now my wife and I are making plans to live a digital nomad life flying across the US. Our free time will be spent sightseeing and learning Spanish well enough to have a different experience when we stay in Mexico for a few weeks later this year.

marginalia_nu 4y ago

I have a similar background, but still find programming very rewarding. Not at my day job, that is and has always been a series of mundane chores. I sadly think expecting to get paid for stimulating programming is fairly unrealistic. There is just not a lot of market for solving interesting problems or designing well-optimized code. I find other avenues to build interesting things instead. At 35, I'm able to build things that I could never have when I was 15 or 20 or 25. I have so much more experience with what works, I'm much better at identifying which decisions matter, and which corners can be cut.

erwincoumans 4y ago
Doing interesting programming work is not unrealistic, but you need to make it a priority if you care for your day job. 3D graphics, robotics, physics simulation and AI/deep learning are still exciting to me after decades.
visarga 4y ago
> expecting to get paid for stimulating programming is fairly unrealistic Works for me in ML.

pluijzer 4y ago

The magic, curiosity and joy I had also faded for me once. Like you say, much of my jobs included lots of plumbing. For work the elegant solutions that gave me joy would be seen as anti-patterns. The languages I enjoy would scuffed at as being relics. The problems I enjoy seen as useless because there are already solved in bloated over complex enterprise libraries. When I would program for myself in the weekend I wanted to work on problems that would look good on my CV. Focus on techniques and languages that will be beneficial for my carrier. Soon also my hobby coding became a lot less enjoyable. I then decided to seperate my hobby and carrier. In my spare time I started working on the things that fascinated me. Implementing operating systems, creating software rendered 3d engines, compilers etc. All from scratch. All in my favorite language (which is Common Lisp for me). Not caring if it would bring me money once, not worrying if anybody would use it or wanting to put it on my CV once. The only reason that is to enjoy it. Straight away the magic I felt as a kid about computers came back in full strength. It hasn't faded since. And the funny thing... I started enjoying my enterprisy work also again. Already getting my coding passion fix in another way I could appreciate my work and the way of working for what it is.

visarga 4y ago
The cure to burnout - give yourself ample time to play and be inspired.
voidfunc 4y ago
This is why I'm starring to get interested in games programming. It is so far removed from the kind of code I do for a living that it is a lot of fun and recaptured the magic of learning to code when I was 11ish.
spfzero 4y ago
Same here (separate hobby from career). I needed to let myself re-discover the things that made it magical, switch from resume-building as my goal, to "what would be fun for me to do now?".

scarface74 4y ago

I learned to code at 12 in 1986 in 65C02 assembly language. By the time I graduated from college in 1996, I had done hobby programming in assembly in four processors. I didn’t do a single side project from 1996 to present unless it was just to learn a new to me technology for my next job. During that time, I was a part time fitness instructor as a hobby, I trained for half marathons with friends, dabbled in real estate until around 2009 (guess how that worked out), got remarried, raised two (step) sons and now my wife and I are making plans to live a digital nomad life flying across the US. Our free time will be spent sightseeing and learning Spanish well enough to have a different experience when we stay in Mexico for a few weeks later this year.