Careful, I didn't call Kwarteng an idiot. I'm sure the top .1% of the Brexit club are very smart, well educated and highly credentialed. They're also liars and

Careful, I didn't call Kwarteng an idiot. I'm sure the top .1% of the Brexit club are very smart, well educated and highly credentialed. They're also liars and fraudsters. What I said about the government is that they had no new ideas and no long term thinking. I think that holds true. For all his qualifications, the best the chancellor can manage is minor changes to a few tax rates in the face of an economic emergency. Most of his tax changes just reverse the changes made last year. So his ideas are just back to 2020. Hardly new stuff. Is any of that an unfair or inaccurate characterisation of the current government or brexiteers? As for debate with brexiteers, that isn't really possible. You cannot debate someone who won't accept the facts and who lies about (or doesn't know) their reasons for their position. Only 1 brexiteer in the 100s I've met has managed that and he was just a racist (though he was at least honest enough to say so). At this point "debate" is pointless, the facts are in, one side refuses to accept them and we are where we are. The social and psychological causes might be worth discussing, but you don't need brexiteers for that, anymore than you need to talk to a cancer to understand cancer...