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I'd say macOS actually is a lot more polished than Windows, but I agree with you that it is damn confusing. Try "closing" an app for example and you'll find tha

I'd say macOS actually is a lot more polished than Windows, but I agree with you that it is damn confusing. Try "closing" an app for example and you'll find that half the time it will not have closed properly, or maybe it did, who knows? It depends on the app. If it's vanilla you can bet it will have to be closed with CMD+Q

neurostimulant 4y ago
I think the convention is for apps where you can open multiple instances of it (document editors, web browsers, etc), closing window won't quit the app.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  Exactly. In the scenario of closing all open documents and then creating a new one, it prevents the awkwardness of having to keep that last document open to keep the menubar available so you can select File > New and then close the last document. It also means you don’t have to invoke your app launcher again after closing all documents since the app is still open. Conventions being different than what one is used to (in this case, Win9X) isn’t necessarily bad. Additionally, this particular convention has been on macOS for most of its existence, which means there’s longtime Mac users who find the Win9X way just as awkward.
cturtle 4y ago
That’s because “proper” macOS apps close windows not apps when you click the little red dot in the upper left. See some of the answers here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4618/why-mac-applications-never-get-closed https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4618/why-mac-applic... And I agree it’s different from all the other operating systems, once I understood why it made sense. For example, I can copy an image to my clipboard, and open Preview. No window opens, but the top menu bar shows that Preview is open. From there I can choose the “new from clipboard” entry. It’s just a different model of interaction.
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  It makes sense if the initial startup of an app is expensive, memory is cheap, and creating new windows is fast.
georgyo 4y ago
This is actually more confusing then windows. The visual UI element to close does not close. Instead you must click File->Quit or CMD+q. These are not intuitive and must be learned.
- StuckDuck 4y ago
  Agree with it being weird but intuitive != commonly known. Just because windows does it a certain way doesn't mean it is intuitive. It's just widely known and assumed. If GNU developed to be the worldwide market leader then we'd all find the CDE drag and drop applet system 'intuitive'
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  And yet, with modern browsers - since firefox - cmd + W closes a tab, cmd + Q closes the browser. So even Windows users don't find it that strange.

neurostimulant 4y ago

I think the convention is for apps where you can open multiple instances of it (document editors, web browsers, etc), closing window won't quit the app.

kitsunesoba 4y ago
Exactly. In the scenario of closing all open documents and then creating a new one, it prevents the awkwardness of having to keep that last document open to keep the menubar available so you can select File > New and then close the last document. It also means you don’t have to invoke your app launcher again after closing all documents since the app is still open. Conventions being different than what one is used to (in this case, Win9X) isn’t necessarily bad. Additionally, this particular convention has been on macOS for most of its existence, which means there’s longtime Mac users who find the Win9X way just as awkward.

cturtle 4y ago

That’s because “proper” macOS apps close windows not apps when you click the little red dot in the upper left. See some of the answers here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4618/why-mac-applications-never-get-closed https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4618/why-mac-applic... And I agree it’s different from all the other operating systems, once I understood why it made sense. For example, I can copy an image to my clipboard, and open Preview. No window opens, but the top menu bar shows that Preview is open. From there I can choose the “new from clipboard” entry. It’s just a different model of interaction.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
It makes sense if the initial startup of an app is expensive, memory is cheap, and creating new windows is fast.

georgyo 4y ago

This is actually more confusing then windows. The visual UI element to close does not close. Instead you must click File->Quit or CMD+q. These are not intuitive and must be learned.

StuckDuck 4y ago
Agree with it being weird but intuitive != commonly known. Just because windows does it a certain way doesn't mean it is intuitive. It's just widely known and assumed. If GNU developed to be the worldwide market leader then we'd all find the CDE drag and drop applet system 'intuitive'
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
And yet, with modern browsers - since firefox - cmd + W closes a tab, cmd + Q closes the browser. So even Windows users don't find it that strange.