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In Kharkiv, Ukraine Reveals a Network of Russian Torture Chambers

2 points by trasz 4y ago

oifjsidjf 4y ago
- IIAOPSW 4y ago
  This comment reeks of "nothing is true and everything is possible", and not in a good way. The inevitable terminus of such a non-belief system is truth is inherently unknowable, and therefore not even a meaningful concept, and therefore you are free to just believe whatever you want is true, or whatever is in to your benefit to believe is true (socially and/or politically). Its a new spin on an old adage with extra steps: "there is not truth, only power". Its contrarianism disguising as skepticism. Refusing to believe anything ever isn't the same thing as questioning beliefs in evidence, but it is superficially similar.
- trasz 4y ago
  We have a lot of footage, and thanks to OSINT we can tell Ukrainian propaganda is not very far from truth, while the Russian one announced total destruction of Ukrainian Air Force three times over.
aritmo 4y ago
Half of all the fighting is Internet propaganda.
- sylware 4y ago
  Mis-information to a point most of the world has no idea why they are killing each other over there. Non-sense at all. Reality check: russia has nukes. For all countries in the world which do not have a nuclear umbrella (aka, if they are attacked, a set of nuclear countries will nuke the attacker... and will die with the attacker and you too due to nuclear mutual anihilation). When a dictatorship with nukes attacks a country without a nuclear umbrella, if too much resistance is encountered, nukes will probably be used (maybe "small" tactical nukes at first). Ukraine army is now millions being weaponized from all over the world and started to really resist. If that becomes too much for the army of putin's regime, we all know what will happen.
  - trasz 4y ago
    North Korea also got nukes. Should we allow it to invade South Korea if it wants to? Also: Russia is not USSR. I find it highly questionable that a country that can’t even manufacture ordinary cars has the capability to refurbish nuclear warheads.
    - sylware 4y ago
      North Korea: who is "we"? As far as I know, North Korea could nuke South Korea, but for what? They would not occupy South Korea, they could use South Korea as slaves (but I don't think China would let that happen). And as far as I know, South Korea is not a member of any nuclear umbrella treaty. Same goes for any asian country. omg... did you see the massive vehicules carrying 20 nukes ballistic missiles russia can manufacture. Putin's regime will very probably get "what" it wants (yeah... "what" is blurry at best)
      - trasz 4y ago
        Putin’s regime can’t occupy Ukraine either. They only want to destroy superior Ukrainian nation. So once again, should we allow NK to do what Russia is doing, ie destroy South Korea, with impunity? Also, not sure if you are following the war at all, but Russia is falling terribly. Of the three fronts opened they already lost two. They hadn’t had any meaningful advances for many months now, despite throwing in everything they had. We aren’t talking about Putin’s regime achieving some wins, we are talking about Russia surviving in its current shape.
        sylware 4y ago
        Who is "we"? In "should we allow"... NK can nuke SK whenever they want since SK has no nuclear umbrella, same goes for any asian country. That said, I wonder how China would react. I don't see putin's regime occupying the whole ukraine, but some territories with pro-putin's regime ukrainians... which would actually become part of russia. That seems perfectly realistic. They did not throw everything they had: nukes. And the failing of putin's army is extremely dangerous. He could use nukes to account for the failing of its army. That's why it is urgent to find a way out of this weird, really weird conflict.

2 points by trasz 4y ago

oifjsidjf 4y ago

IIAOPSW 4y ago
This comment reeks of "nothing is true and everything is possible", and not in a good way. The inevitable terminus of such a non-belief system is truth is inherently unknowable, and therefore not even a meaningful concept, and therefore you are free to just believe whatever you want is true, or whatever is in to your benefit to believe is true (socially and/or politically). Its a new spin on an old adage with extra steps: "there is not truth, only power". Its contrarianism disguising as skepticism. Refusing to believe anything ever isn't the same thing as questioning beliefs in evidence, but it is superficially similar.
trasz 4y ago
We have a lot of footage, and thanks to OSINT we can tell Ukrainian propaganda is not very far from truth, while the Russian one announced total destruction of Ukrainian Air Force three times over.

aritmo 4y ago

Half of all the fighting is Internet propaganda.

sylware 4y ago
Mis-information to a point most of the world has no idea why they are killing each other over there. Non-sense at all. Reality check: russia has nukes. For all countries in the world which do not have a nuclear umbrella (aka, if they are attacked, a set of nuclear countries will nuke the attacker... and will die with the attacker and you too due to nuclear mutual anihilation). When a dictatorship with nukes attacks a country without a nuclear umbrella, if too much resistance is encountered, nukes will probably be used (maybe "small" tactical nukes at first). Ukraine army is now millions being weaponized from all over the world and started to really resist. If that becomes too much for the army of putin's regime, we all know what will happen.
- trasz 4y ago
  North Korea also got nukes. Should we allow it to invade South Korea if it wants to? Also: Russia is not USSR. I find it highly questionable that a country that can’t even manufacture ordinary cars has the capability to refurbish nuclear warheads.
  - sylware 4y ago
    North Korea: who is "we"? As far as I know, North Korea could nuke South Korea, but for what? They would not occupy South Korea, they could use South Korea as slaves (but I don't think China would let that happen). And as far as I know, South Korea is not a member of any nuclear umbrella treaty. Same goes for any asian country. omg... did you see the massive vehicules carrying 20 nukes ballistic missiles russia can manufacture. Putin's regime will very probably get "what" it wants (yeah... "what" is blurry at best)
    - trasz 4y ago
      Putin’s regime can’t occupy Ukraine either. They only want to destroy superior Ukrainian nation. So once again, should we allow NK to do what Russia is doing, ie destroy South Korea, with impunity? Also, not sure if you are following the war at all, but Russia is falling terribly. Of the three fronts opened they already lost two. They hadn’t had any meaningful advances for many months now, despite throwing in everything they had. We aren’t talking about Putin’s regime achieving some wins, we are talking about Russia surviving in its current shape.
      - sylware 4y ago
        Who is "we"? In "should we allow"... NK can nuke SK whenever they want since SK has no nuclear umbrella, same goes for any asian country. That said, I wonder how China would react. I don't see putin's regime occupying the whole ukraine, but some territories with pro-putin's regime ukrainians... which would actually become part of russia. That seems perfectly realistic. They did not throw everything they had: nukes. And the failing of putin's army is extremely dangerous. He could use nukes to account for the failing of its army. That's why it is urgent to find a way out of this weird, really weird conflict.