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Agree with what you're saying but the way Windows handles updates is probably my biggest bugbear with it so to me this more or less amounts to victim blaming. I

Agree with what you're saying but the way Windows handles updates is probably my biggest bugbear with it so to me this more or less amounts to victim blaming. If I want to boot my machine for five minutes after a month of inactivity just to accomplish some quick task, why should I be forced into a thirty+ minute update process? Likewise those updates that happen in the background while you're working and when you need to reboot, surprise! You have to wait five-fifteen minutes while it does (something?) before you can proceed with your day. I'm not totally down on Windows in general but this, coupled with other problems, has led me to switch to Fedora as my daily driver and so far I can't see myself ever going back.

nikau 4y ago
If its a problem you can disable updates. The alternative is no updates by default, and we saw what a mess that was back in the win 95/2000 era.
- archagon 4y ago
  Can you? On my machine, you can only pause them for some time.
  - nikau 4y ago
    You need windows pro, but you basically set a bunch of registry keys/GPO to disable updates.
  - LinuxBender 4y ago
    Yes, Shutup10 [1a][1b] and misc other powershell scripts people have written can disable some things with varying degrees of success. [1a] - https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 [freeware] [1b] - https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/86bf0b60f97f72bdbbf01e4547a9b0071c23b3f2dd93737e6a75cbecca3c2b4e https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/86bf0b60f97f72bdbbf01e45... [scan results]
- danparsonson 4y ago
  Only with Enterprise or LTSB/LTSC but even that is changing as far as I know, and most people don't have access to those distributions anyway. Besides I don't want to turn off updates - that's a false dichotomy. I want to be allowed to set my own update schedule like someone who knows what they're doing with their own PC.
  - nikau 4y ago
    It works for windows 10 pro also - my laptop has been sitting pending a restart for about a week and a half now, and my shutdown menu has options to restart/shutdown without updating.
xboxnolifes 4y ago
I agree. Windows updates and I are not on good terms ever since they decided that they knew better than me for which audio drivers to have installed and force uninstalled drivers a few years back in one of their bigger updates. I can't reinstall these drivers without windows automatically uninstalling them each update, so I've since had to use virtual audio cables and an equalizer to have audible voice input.
Gigachad 4y ago
Forcing updates on the majority of the population has absolutely been a net positive on the world. The lack of exploitable machines around easily out weights a slightly faster access in an odd use case.
- viraptor 4y ago
  This has nothing to do with forcing the updates - just the way they're installed. If I boot a Linux distro after a few months it can be updated in the background in minutes. Then either you restart the services or they get restarted with the next reboot. This mostly does not affect your workflow at all.
  - justsomehnguy 4y ago
    > just the way they're installed > they get restarted with the next reboot And if after the next reboot your services or OS dies - it's only on you. But not if this is Windows OS - then it's Microsoft, all Redmond citizens and Gates personally is the culprit. You can restart 99% of services in Windows just fine, it's just most of the software written by bazillion of 'software developers' always find a way to break if something suddenly disappears from the system. And no, they do NOT write a proper dependencies for their services, hell, they still install in 'C:\SOFTWARENAME' because they still can't in the long file names [including spaces] AND they are still shitting in their install folder (Hello, 'C:\Program Files\MariaDB 10.5 (x64)\data\ibdata1'!). Add shitty drivers for a bazillions devices, written by other shitty developers - and now it is way, way, WAY easier to just reboot the machine. And don't forget: your shitty webcam managed to crash the system while it updated? It's Gates fault, not the author of webcam's driver. EDIT: Oh great, Baader Meinhof as it is, while I moved my workstation VM: You know what is forcefully killed explorer.exe first (hey, it's my shell! I have opened some windows there and there!) and then rebooted the whole machine WITHOUT asking anything from me? Fucking Nextcloud client. And this is not the first time when this shit happens.
- danparsonson 4y ago
  That's a false dichotomy - there are other workflows available. And it's not an odd use case for me at least; I've cursed Windows Update more times than I can count in the last five years.
philjohn 4y ago
Honestly installing Windows updates is far less painful than installing MacOS updates - they seem to take an absolute AGE to finish, whereas Windows updates, even to relatively major update versions, are much faster. Heck, even an Ubuntu dist-upgrade is not a particularly quick process.
- Fatnino 4y ago
  dist-upgrade is a completely different thing to windows update.

nikau 4y ago

If its a problem you can disable updates. The alternative is no updates by default, and we saw what a mess that was back in the win 95/2000 era.

archagon 4y ago
Can you? On my machine, you can only pause them for some time.
- nikau 4y ago
  You need windows pro, but you basically set a bunch of registry keys/GPO to disable updates.
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  Yes, Shutup10 [1a][1b] and misc other powershell scripts people have written can disable some things with varying degrees of success. [1a] - https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 [freeware] [1b] - https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/86bf0b60f97f72bdbbf01e4547a9b0071c23b3f2dd93737e6a75cbecca3c2b4e https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/86bf0b60f97f72bdbbf01e45... [scan results]
danparsonson 4y ago
Only with Enterprise or LTSB/LTSC but even that is changing as far as I know, and most people don't have access to those distributions anyway. Besides I don't want to turn off updates - that's a false dichotomy. I want to be allowed to set my own update schedule like someone who knows what they're doing with their own PC.
- nikau 4y ago
  It works for windows 10 pro also - my laptop has been sitting pending a restart for about a week and a half now, and my shutdown menu has options to restart/shutdown without updating.

xboxnolifes 4y ago

I agree. Windows updates and I are not on good terms ever since they decided that they knew better than me for which audio drivers to have installed and force uninstalled drivers a few years back in one of their bigger updates. I can't reinstall these drivers without windows automatically uninstalling them each update, so I've since had to use virtual audio cables and an equalizer to have audible voice input.

Gigachad 4y ago

Forcing updates on the majority of the population has absolutely been a net positive on the world. The lack of exploitable machines around easily out weights a slightly faster access in an odd use case.

viraptor 4y ago
This has nothing to do with forcing the updates - just the way they're installed. If I boot a Linux distro after a few months it can be updated in the background in minutes. Then either you restart the services or they get restarted with the next reboot. This mostly does not affect your workflow at all.
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  > just the way they're installed > they get restarted with the next reboot And if after the next reboot your services or OS dies - it's only on you. But not if this is Windows OS - then it's Microsoft, all Redmond citizens and Gates personally is the culprit. You can restart 99% of services in Windows just fine, it's just most of the software written by bazillion of 'software developers' always find a way to break if something suddenly disappears from the system. And no, they do NOT write a proper dependencies for their services, hell, they still install in 'C:\SOFTWARENAME' because they still can't in the long file names [including spaces] AND they are still shitting in their install folder (Hello, 'C:\Program Files\MariaDB 10.5 (x64)\data\ibdata1'!). Add shitty drivers for a bazillions devices, written by other shitty developers - and now it is way, way, WAY easier to just reboot the machine. And don't forget: your shitty webcam managed to crash the system while it updated? It's Gates fault, not the author of webcam's driver. EDIT: Oh great, Baader Meinhof as it is, while I moved my workstation VM: You know what is forcefully killed explorer.exe first (hey, it's my shell! I have opened some windows there and there!) and then rebooted the whole machine WITHOUT asking anything from me? Fucking Nextcloud client. And this is not the first time when this shit happens.
danparsonson 4y ago
That's a false dichotomy - there are other workflows available. And it's not an odd use case for me at least; I've cursed Windows Update more times than I can count in the last five years.

philjohn 4y ago

Honestly installing Windows updates is far less painful than installing MacOS updates - they seem to take an absolute AGE to finish, whereas Windows updates, even to relatively major update versions, are much faster. Heck, even an Ubuntu dist-upgrade is not a particularly quick process.

Fatnino 4y ago
dist-upgrade is a completely different thing to windows update.