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I guess 427 million barrels left isn't enough for the oil junkies

by michaelwww 4y ago

psxdude 4y ago
427/600 million barrels. So still plenty left...
- roenxi 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve.webp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Strategic_Petroleum_Re... Note the gradient, rates and the fact that two thirds full is a return to the state of things in the 80s - it is conceivable that it will be empty next year. Although whether it is likely is a political question.
- kesor 4y ago
  This image shows the current inventory in the SPR - https://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/images/img2.jpg https://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/images/img2.jpg You can use the Wayback Machine at archive.org to look at how it looked like in the past. For example, https://web.archive.org/web/202201/https://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/images/img2.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/202201/https://www.spr.doe.gov/d... Note that it is mostly Sour oil that is being moved off the SPR. Because that is the more useful type. So you might consider that 200-250mbbl of Sweet oil in the SPR is less-useful and counting the whole 400+mbbls is like counting apples and oranges together and saying you have X amount of fruit.
Guthur 4y ago
You'll actually find that for most of us it's what gives us the life we have. A subsistence existence is not something i'd be wishing for.
- michaelwww 4y ago
  I don't know where you're from, but in California we are developing other options California just ran on 100% renewable energy, but fossil fuels aren't fading away yet https://www.npr.org/2022/05/07/1097376890/for-a-brief-moment-calif-fully-powered-itself-with-renewable-energy https://www.npr.org/2022/05/07/1097376890/for-a-brief-moment...
  - 90d 4y ago
    This is great on an individual level for those that already have an exceptional quality of life as a safety net. Unsustainable for everyone else. Some counties can't even keep a barnes and noble open . Today, I saw a grown man pants-down shitting in a raised concrete garden planter, feet still touching parking lot. In one of the Top 10 Happiest Cities in the USA (TM). Yet the entirety of CALIFORNIA will sustain 100% renewable energy. HAH. They will sustain a 100% interest in the politics and policies surrounding the journey to renewable energy. That much is certain.
    - arcticbull 4y ago
      60% of Canada's population ordinarily runs on 90-100% zero-carbon power. About 24M people. All of Ontario and Quebec. It's really not that big a deal. Not sure what that gentleman's choice of pooping in a planter has to do with the electric grid unless they were like a PG&E employee or something? [edit] refurb: 3 power plants, not 12. But of course yes it's a question of priorities. It's very doable.
      - refurb 4y ago
        Exactly all we need is massive hydro-electric projects like Quebec (and somewhere to put them) and a dozen nuclear stations like Ontario. It’s pretty clear California wants neither of those.
        90d 4y ago
        "Why doesn't a car company just come out with a new car only focused on performance that i can fix on muh easement and none of this expensive safety or emissions stuff"
      - 90d 4y ago
        They can't even do it at 1% of cars being electric without rolling blackouts. The bush-shitter is completely relevant. Who will maintain this 100% renewable electric grid, scale unknown? Forever? Maybe him if that was actually the way California was headed. No, he can just get 600$ a month to shit in bushes instead.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Check out the Ontario grid. 91% zero-carbon. [1] Quebec at 99%. [2] It's hardly a subsistence lifestyle up there. You've just got to, you know, execute on it. This accounts for 60% of the Canadian population. [1] ON: https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles-ontario.html https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/pr... [2] QC: https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles-quebec.html https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/pr...
  - telotortium 4y ago
    That's all hydroelectricity - that's not a form of renewable energy that can scale to the whole planet (and virtually every suitable river for it has already been exploited).
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      In Washington State we demolish hydro dams to save the fish. https://www.nps.gov/olym/learn/nature/elwha-ecosystem-restoration.htm https://www.nps.gov/olym/learn/nature/elwha-ecosystem-restor...
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    Ontario and Quebec are relatively small populations on the world scale. The per capita usage may be high in those provinces but the overall generation required to meet their needs is still relatively low. Also, hydroelectric dams are not necessarily viable everywhere.
    - arcticbull 4y ago
      Ontario + Quebec is about 60% the population of California too, and most of Ontario is powered by three nuclear power plants: Bruce, Pickering and Darlington.
      - 4y ago

I guess 427 million barrels left isn't enough for the oil junkies

psxdude 4y ago

427/600 million barrels. So still plenty left...

roenxi 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve.webp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Strategic_Petroleum_Re... Note the gradient, rates and the fact that two thirds full is a return to the state of things in the 80s - it is conceivable that it will be empty next year. Although whether it is likely is a political question.
kesor 4y ago
This image shows the current inventory in the SPR - https://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/images/img2.jpg https://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/images/img2.jpg You can use the Wayback Machine at archive.org to look at how it looked like in the past. For example, https://web.archive.org/web/202201/https://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/images/img2.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/202201/https://www.spr.doe.gov/d... Note that it is mostly Sour oil that is being moved off the SPR. Because that is the more useful type. So you might consider that 200-250mbbl of Sweet oil in the SPR is less-useful and counting the whole 400+mbbls is like counting apples and oranges together and saying you have X amount of fruit.

Guthur 4y ago

You'll actually find that for most of us it's what gives us the life we have. A subsistence existence is not something i'd be wishing for.

michaelwww 4y ago
I don't know where you're from, but in California we are developing other options California just ran on 100% renewable energy, but fossil fuels aren't fading away yet https://www.npr.org/2022/05/07/1097376890/for-a-brief-moment-calif-fully-powered-itself-with-renewable-energy https://www.npr.org/2022/05/07/1097376890/for-a-brief-moment...
- 90d 4y ago
  This is great on an individual level for those that already have an exceptional quality of life as a safety net. Unsustainable for everyone else. Some counties can't even keep a barnes and noble open . Today, I saw a grown man pants-down shitting in a raised concrete garden planter, feet still touching parking lot. In one of the Top 10 Happiest Cities in the USA (TM). Yet the entirety of CALIFORNIA will sustain 100% renewable energy. HAH. They will sustain a 100% interest in the politics and policies surrounding the journey to renewable energy. That much is certain.
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    60% of Canada's population ordinarily runs on 90-100% zero-carbon power. About 24M people. All of Ontario and Quebec. It's really not that big a deal. Not sure what that gentleman's choice of pooping in a planter has to do with the electric grid unless they were like a PG&E employee or something? [edit] refurb: 3 power plants, not 12. But of course yes it's a question of priorities. It's very doable.
    - refurb 4y ago
      Exactly all we need is massive hydro-electric projects like Quebec (and somewhere to put them) and a dozen nuclear stations like Ontario. It’s pretty clear California wants neither of those.
      - 90d 4y ago
        "Why doesn't a car company just come out with a new car only focused on performance that i can fix on muh easement and none of this expensive safety or emissions stuff"
    - 90d 4y ago
      They can't even do it at 1% of cars being electric without rolling blackouts. The bush-shitter is completely relevant. Who will maintain this 100% renewable electric grid, scale unknown? Forever? Maybe him if that was actually the way California was headed. No, he can just get 600$ a month to shit in bushes instead.
arcticbull 4y ago
Check out the Ontario grid. 91% zero-carbon. [1] Quebec at 99%. [2] It's hardly a subsistence lifestyle up there. You've just got to, you know, execute on it. This accounts for 60% of the Canadian population. [1] ON: https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles-ontario.html https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/pr... [2] QC: https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles-quebec.html https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/pr...
- telotortium 4y ago
  That's all hydroelectricity - that's not a form of renewable energy that can scale to the whole planet (and virtually every suitable river for it has already been exploited).
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    In Washington State we demolish hydro dams to save the fish. https://www.nps.gov/olym/learn/nature/elwha-ecosystem-restoration.htm https://www.nps.gov/olym/learn/nature/elwha-ecosystem-restor...
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  Ontario and Quebec are relatively small populations on the world scale. The per capita usage may be high in those provinces but the overall generation required to meet their needs is still relatively low. Also, hydroelectric dams are not necessarily viable everywhere.
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    Ontario + Quebec is about 60% the population of California too, and most of Ontario is powered by three nuclear power plants: Bruce, Pickering and Darlington.
    - 4y ago