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I see nothing wrong with several items on that list, especially the items related to modern foreign policy. > On February 15th, 2017, US-backed Saudi planes bo

I see nothing wrong with several items on that list, especially the items related to modern foreign policy. > On February 15th, 2017, US-backed Saudi planes bombed a funeral in Yemen Not the U.S. > In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki Good. Justified. The man was a terrorist. > Since 2013, The US has intervened militarily in the ongoing Syrian Civil War Good. Justified. Though civilian casualties are always deplorable. > From 2011 up to the present day, the US ousted Mummar Gaddafi in Libya, and began conducting an extensive bombing campaign in the Libyan Civil Wars of 2011 and 2014 Good. Justified. > From 2000 up to the present day, the US has been carrying out a campaign of drone strikes and asassinations in the Middle East and Africa Good. Justified. > The attacks precipitated the signing into law in 2001 of the Patriot Act Good. Justified. > The September 11th 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York, provoked an international military campaign of middle east imperialism known as The War on Terror Good. Justified. > Since the 1960s, the US has given immense economic and military aid to Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict Good. Justified. > In 1989, The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega Good. Justified. > In early 2017, ICE began a campaign of arrests and deportation of undocumented immigrants. 700 People have been arrested so far. Good. Justified. > In 2010, Chelsea Manning was imprisoned under the espionage act Good. Justified.

usednet 4y ago
Without addressing anything else you said, calling the invasion of Panama and subsequent dictatorship “justified” is genuinely one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this site.
voz_ 4y ago
Agreed 100%. The western world's framing of placing high value on human life and freedom is paramount, and the preservation of American hegemony is a critical component of both that, and ensuring world peace. To all the salty tiers from oppressive regimes like russia, china, and iran, I say: vae victis.
- photochemsyn 4y ago
  I can't tell if this comment is meant to be sarcastic or not.
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TurkishPoptart 4y ago
> In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki >Good. Justified. The man was a terrorist. are we sure about that? personally, I think Americans should give Americans fair trials and be proven guilty before condemned to death by drone-strike, but I'm a conservative.
- krapp 4y ago
  >personally, I think Americans should give Americans fair trials and be proven guilty before condemned to death by drone-strike, but I'm a conservative. Conservatives were the ones most in favor of tactics like torture - sorry, enhanced interrogation - stripping terrorist suspects of citizenship rights, indefinite detention and assassination after 9/11. They were the ones insisting that wanting to give terrorist suspects fair trials was a sign of left-wing weakness and an unwillingness to take the existential threat of Islamic terrorism seriously. It's fair to criticize Obama - I voted for him and I have a list of things I hate about him, and the drone strikes are on it - but invoking conservatism when doing so is ahistorical. If anything, your views in this regard are more traditionally liberal, not conservative.
  - TurkishPoptart 4y ago
    I mean I'm conservative in that I care about using the legal process before blowing people up. Jesus, dude.
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usednet 4y ago

Without addressing anything else you said, calling the invasion of Panama and subsequent dictatorship “justified” is genuinely one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this site.

voz_ 4y ago

Agreed 100%. The western world's framing of placing high value on human life and freedom is paramount, and the preservation of American hegemony is a critical component of both that, and ensuring world peace. To all the salty tiers from oppressive regimes like russia, china, and iran, I say: vae victis.

photochemsyn 4y ago
I can't tell if this comment is meant to be sarcastic or not.
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TurkishPoptart 4y ago

> In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki >Good. Justified. The man was a terrorist. are we sure about that? personally, I think Americans should give Americans fair trials and be proven guilty before condemned to death by drone-strike, but I'm a conservative.

krapp 4y ago
>personally, I think Americans should give Americans fair trials and be proven guilty before condemned to death by drone-strike, but I'm a conservative. Conservatives were the ones most in favor of tactics like torture - sorry, enhanced interrogation - stripping terrorist suspects of citizenship rights, indefinite detention and assassination after 9/11. They were the ones insisting that wanting to give terrorist suspects fair trials was a sign of left-wing weakness and an unwillingness to take the existential threat of Islamic terrorism seriously. It's fair to criticize Obama - I voted for him and I have a list of things I hate about him, and the drone strikes are on it - but invoking conservatism when doing so is ahistorical. If anything, your views in this regard are more traditionally liberal, not conservative.
- TurkishPoptart 4y ago
  I mean I'm conservative in that I care about using the legal process before blowing people up. Jesus, dude.

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