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I have not seen the show. I don’t have a horse in this. But I think the author’s point was more general: the world and the actions of the characters don’t make

by yojo 4y ago

I have not seen the show. I don’t have a horse in this. But I think the author’s point was more general: the world and the actions of the characters don’t make any sense. The honor culture thing is a fantasy trope, and you need to either follow it, or replace it with a different value system. He claims the show does neither. Some people are happy to watch badasses swing swords at things. Other people are interested in character development, world building, and storytelling. He is saying the show panders to the first group while neglecting the second.

Calavar 4y ago
Like the recent Star Wars movies. The action scenes were immaculate, but the character develoment was half baked, and plotwise it teetered on the edge between paying homage to the original trilogy and just recycling the same plot with a different coat of paint. Some people say that hardcore fans will hate on any new adaptation, regardless of content. But the few SciFi movies that actually did commit to narrative focus and believable characters got rave reviews from the same crowd. Dune and the Blade Runner sequel come to mind.
- mcv 4y ago
  Dune, Bladerunner, but also The Mandalorian, for a Star Wars example. When Star Trek was rebooted as The Next Generation, and followed up with DS9 and Voyager; those shows were all great. Mad Max Fury Road got rave reviews. It is absolutely possible to do justice to existing properties, and to write new great stories in them. But existing successful properties also seem to attract writers who are just looking to milk the franchise's reputation for a quick buck. The story you're telling should be able to stand on its own without the big name attached. If it can't do that, it doesn't deserve the big name.
- leetcrew 4y ago
  > The action scenes were immaculate they really weren't... the choreography of the big lightsaber fight in the last jedi is mediocre at best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3HMz25LvnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3HMz25LvnY you could almost pick a lightsaber fight at random from the prequels and it would be way better than what's linked above. but here are a couple examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onRnL6MBunU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onRnL6MBunU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJFjNu51IQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJFjNu51IQ george lucas did a lot of dumb things in the prequels, but by god he cared about the fight choreography.
mcphage 4y ago
> Other people are interested in character development, world building, and storytelling. He is saying the show panders to the first group while neglecting the second. And other people are saying that nothing happens, that it's all character introduction and setup. Peoples' complaints aren't very consistent
- yojo 4y ago
  These things are not mutually exclusive. That was part of the author’s complaint. They spent a lot of film marking time without doing anything to advance the world, characters, or story.

by yojo 4y ago

Calavar 4y ago

Like the recent Star Wars movies. The action scenes were immaculate, but the character develoment was half baked, and plotwise it teetered on the edge between paying homage to the original trilogy and just recycling the same plot with a different coat of paint. Some people say that hardcore fans will hate on any new adaptation, regardless of content. But the few SciFi movies that actually did commit to narrative focus and believable characters got rave reviews from the same crowd. Dune and the Blade Runner sequel come to mind.

mcv 4y ago
Dune, Bladerunner, but also The Mandalorian, for a Star Wars example. When Star Trek was rebooted as The Next Generation, and followed up with DS9 and Voyager; those shows were all great. Mad Max Fury Road got rave reviews. It is absolutely possible to do justice to existing properties, and to write new great stories in them. But existing successful properties also seem to attract writers who are just looking to milk the franchise's reputation for a quick buck. The story you're telling should be able to stand on its own without the big name attached. If it can't do that, it doesn't deserve the big name.
leetcrew 4y ago
> The action scenes were immaculate they really weren't... the choreography of the big lightsaber fight in the last jedi is mediocre at best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3HMz25LvnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3HMz25LvnY you could almost pick a lightsaber fight at random from the prequels and it would be way better than what's linked above. but here are a couple examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onRnL6MBunU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onRnL6MBunU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJFjNu51IQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJFjNu51IQ george lucas did a lot of dumb things in the prequels, but by god he cared about the fight choreography.

mcphage 4y ago

> Other people are interested in character development, world building, and storytelling. He is saying the show panders to the first group while neglecting the second. And other people are saying that nothing happens, that it's all character introduction and setup. Peoples' complaints aren't very consistent

yojo 4y ago
These things are not mutually exclusive. That was part of the author’s complaint. They spent a lot of film marking time without doing anything to advance the world, characters, or story.