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Yeah, kind of reminds me of the Star Wars sequels (well, I actively disliked the last one also, but the first two sequels anyway). Are they as good as the orig

Yeah, kind of reminds me of the Star Wars sequels (well, I actively disliked the last one also, but the first two sequels anyway). Are they as good as the original trilogy? No, but when they came out my expectations were calibrated to the prequels. The bar was basically "Does it have Jar-Jar? No? Then I'm OK with it". Same here. The pacing is inconsistent, and some of the characters seem pretty off. The pacing is not as inconsistent, and the characters not as off, as The Hobbit. Therefore whatever, it's fine. Is it going to be my favorite show? No. Will I watch it? Yeah.

mcv 4y ago
That's pretty much what I've been saying: I don't like that they're contradicting all the events in the Appendix, but at least the stuff they invent isn't quite as bad as The Hobbit. Because how they managed to mangle that brilliant adventure story is just incomprehensible (and yet I even managed to enjoy that, if with sadness about all the stuff they messed up). Still, low bars everywhere. Why can't these sort of shows be made by people who simultaneously love and understand the source material, but also know how to write a good story?
saghm 4y ago
> Yeah, kind of reminds me of the Star Wars sequels (well, I actively disliked the last one also, but the first two sequels anyway) I can definitely relate to this. I didn't mind the first two at all, but the last one was not enjoyable at all for me. I'm the type of person who usually has absolutely no interest in cinematography as an art form (tending to roll my eyes a bit internally when someone actively makes sure to use the term "films" instead of "movies"), but watching The Rise of Skywalker was the first time I ever felt strong negative feelings towards a movie purely based on, well, film-making reasons. I was almost overwhelmed by how quickly the camera shots were changing; at one point I started counting how many seconds each shot lasted, and it took several minutes before I counted one over four seconds. The dialogue also felt extremely stilted; I remember reading beforehand that they had used existing footage of Carrie Fischer due to her dying beforehand, and it seemed like their solution to shoe-horning in the lines of hers they had without making them stick out was just to edit it so that all dialogue in the entire movie felt spliced together rather than the actors actually being on set together.' The Rise of Skywalker may have done a better job of catering to people's nostalgia in terms of where they expected the plot to go after the original movies, but I don't think that doing what people expected is what made the original movies good in the first place.

mcv 4y ago

That's pretty much what I've been saying: I don't like that they're contradicting all the events in the Appendix, but at least the stuff they invent isn't quite as bad as The Hobbit. Because how they managed to mangle that brilliant adventure story is just incomprehensible (and yet I even managed to enjoy that, if with sadness about all the stuff they messed up). Still, low bars everywhere. Why can't these sort of shows be made by people who simultaneously love and understand the source material, but also know how to write a good story?

saghm 4y ago

> Yeah, kind of reminds me of the Star Wars sequels (well, I actively disliked the last one also, but the first two sequels anyway) I can definitely relate to this. I didn't mind the first two at all, but the last one was not enjoyable at all for me. I'm the type of person who usually has absolutely no interest in cinematography as an art form (tending to roll my eyes a bit internally when someone actively makes sure to use the term "films" instead of "movies"), but watching The Rise of Skywalker was the first time I ever felt strong negative feelings towards a movie purely based on, well, film-making reasons. I was almost overwhelmed by how quickly the camera shots were changing; at one point I started counting how many seconds each shot lasted, and it took several minutes before I counted one over four seconds. The dialogue also felt extremely stilted; I remember reading beforehand that they had used existing footage of Carrie Fischer due to her dying beforehand, and it seemed like their solution to shoe-horning in the lines of hers they had without making them stick out was just to edit it so that all dialogue in the entire movie felt spliced together rather than the actors actually being on set together.' The Rise of Skywalker may have done a better job of catering to people's nostalgia in terms of where they expected the plot to go after the original movies, but I don't think that doing what people expected is what made the original movies good in the first place.