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Again, a mischaracterization. There are somewhere north of 3,000,000 police-citizen interactions per day. An overwhelming majority of them end without event. Ra

Again, a mischaracterization. There are somewhere north of 3,000,000 police-citizen interactions per day. An overwhelming majority of them end without event. Rarely are 'innocent' people even restrained. What's most likely is a person will resist arrest after they were suspected of a crime, and will be injured in the forceful arrest.

dragonwriter 4y ago
“Lots of innocent people don’t get beat up by police” is true, but not actually a rebuttal of “police beat up innocent people”.
- bakugo 4y ago
  Because "police beat up innocent people" is a non-argument. You could replace "police" in that statement with just about any group of people and it would still hold true.
  - mindslight 4y ago
    Sure, but when anyone not from this specific group beats up someone, the criminal justice system generally prosecutes them. And if the criminal justice system fails to do that, we all still generally agree that the attacker was in the wrong. Meanwhile, when a police officer beats up or even murders someone, often an entire city has to protest for that violent criminal to even be charged. And their coworkers, purported employees of the public trust, purported believers in law and order, go on and on justifying the assailant's actions as if they should be normalized.
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  Re-read what I wrote. In the eyes of the court, a person is innocent until proven guilty, but the overwhelming majority of times, a person gets tuned up by police because they are violent and resisting arrest. Suppose we could argue about the meaning of innocent in the context of someone who led police on a chase, committed an assault against another citizen or police or has an active warrant and didn't want to go back to jail. Police are reactive and generally not proactive. They are dispatched to an incident and absolutely do not drive around looking for people to tune up. That's just simply false and is only true in the political theater that put us in this situation in the first place.
inferiorhuman 4y ago
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dragonwriter 4y ago

“Lots of innocent people don’t get beat up by police” is true, but not actually a rebuttal of “police beat up innocent people”.

bakugo 4y ago
Because "police beat up innocent people" is a non-argument. You could replace "police" in that statement with just about any group of people and it would still hold true.
- mindslight 4y ago
  Sure, but when anyone not from this specific group beats up someone, the criminal justice system generally prosecutes them. And if the criminal justice system fails to do that, we all still generally agree that the attacker was in the wrong. Meanwhile, when a police officer beats up or even murders someone, often an entire city has to protest for that violent criminal to even be charged. And their coworkers, purported employees of the public trust, purported believers in law and order, go on and on justifying the assailant's actions as if they should be normalized.
PM_me_your_math 4y ago
Re-read what I wrote. In the eyes of the court, a person is innocent until proven guilty, but the overwhelming majority of times, a person gets tuned up by police because they are violent and resisting arrest. Suppose we could argue about the meaning of innocent in the context of someone who led police on a chase, committed an assault against another citizen or police or has an active warrant and didn't want to go back to jail. Police are reactive and generally not proactive. They are dispatched to an incident and absolutely do not drive around looking for people to tune up. That's just simply false and is only true in the political theater that put us in this situation in the first place.

inferiorhuman 4y ago

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