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It is absolutely illegal to steal less than $950. The were a CA law that reclassified some crimes as misdemeanors instead of felonies, a misdemeanor is still a

by m-ee 4y ago

It is absolutely illegal to steal less than $950. The were a CA law that reclassified some crimes as misdemeanors instead of felonies, a misdemeanor is still a crime you can and will be arrested for. SFPD is famously reticent to do any work so the fiction that “we can’t arrest people for small crimes because of the government” has been peddled as an excuse for them not doing their jobs. EDIT- To answer your question, SFPD works when they feel like it. When they do they want it to be easy. Local politics means there’s no real accountability that an increase is their power would come with increased expectations, so why wouldn’t they take as much as they can get

ballenf 4y ago
If every PR a dev submitted got reverted the next day, they'd probably lose a bit of passion and start phoning it in or leave for another job.
- vkou 4y ago
  In this case the better analogy is a dev that gets up in a huff because his code has to pass code review before it's submitted, so he spends the next year hanging around the water-cooler. It's a common police union response to any expectation of accountability or oversight. Seattle recently elected a hard-Republican city attorney, who ran on a platform of zero tolerance for misdemeanors. Despite this, SPD continues to be both unaccountable and largely useless. Go figure...
- m-ee 4y ago
  The more apt comparison is that you hate doing code reviews because you think the process is too onerous so you simply stop submitting PRs. There's a few SFPD officers on /r/sanfrancisco. They didn't talk about Chesa all that much, but they have repeatedly and specifically cited the amount of paperwork involved in an arrest as a reason they don't do them. Maybe the process is too onerous, but if you stopped writing code altogether because of paperwork would you expect to keep your job? There's a recent video where the police catch someone in the act of stealing a catalytic converter and let him go. In addition to the video there are multiple eye witnesses. Chesa's gone, they have allies in Breed and the new DA. What's the excuse now?
PM_me_your_math 4y ago
But consider that if you have 10 people steal 900 from you each month, you've lost almost 10k, which is not small potatoes
- m-ee 4y ago
  I'm not arguing that its small potatoes. It's a real issue and I agree it should be dealt with. My point is that despite what police union reps may say there is no law or policy, state or city, that prevents police for arresting someone who steals $900. They choose not to.
  - PM_me_your_math 4y ago
    Because the DA won't prosecute, so why bother?

by m-ee 4y ago

ballenf 4y ago

If every PR a dev submitted got reverted the next day, they'd probably lose a bit of passion and start phoning it in or leave for another job.

vkou 4y ago
In this case the better analogy is a dev that gets up in a huff because his code has to pass code review before it's submitted, so he spends the next year hanging around the water-cooler. It's a common police union response to any expectation of accountability or oversight. Seattle recently elected a hard-Republican city attorney, who ran on a platform of zero tolerance for misdemeanors. Despite this, SPD continues to be both unaccountable and largely useless. Go figure...
m-ee 4y ago
The more apt comparison is that you hate doing code reviews because you think the process is too onerous so you simply stop submitting PRs. There's a few SFPD officers on /r/sanfrancisco. They didn't talk about Chesa all that much, but they have repeatedly and specifically cited the amount of paperwork involved in an arrest as a reason they don't do them. Maybe the process is too onerous, but if you stopped writing code altogether because of paperwork would you expect to keep your job? There's a recent video where the police catch someone in the act of stealing a catalytic converter and let him go. In addition to the video there are multiple eye witnesses. Chesa's gone, they have allies in Breed and the new DA. What's the excuse now?

PM_me_your_math 4y ago

But consider that if you have 10 people steal 900 from you each month, you've lost almost 10k, which is not small potatoes

m-ee 4y ago
I'm not arguing that its small potatoes. It's a real issue and I agree it should be dealt with. My point is that despite what police union reps may say there is no law or policy, state or city, that prevents police for arresting someone who steals $900. They choose not to.
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  Because the DA won't prosecute, so why bother?