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> I don't know why Google isn't recognized widely as an IBM. Because they aren't? > As they squeeze they will keep getting more hatred until something finally

by intev 4y ago

> I don't know why Google isn't recognized widely as an IBM. Because they aren't? > As they squeeze they will keep getting more hatred until something finally rises to fully replace them. This will happen whether or not employees love them. Every company gets replaced. Very few have staying power. Id be shocked if <insert your favorite tech company> isn't replaced. > Google search barely works anymore. Oh? I've been able to find everything I'm looking for, and the new QA cards, leaving aside the ethical argument, actually saves me so much time. Not sure which google you're using. > YouTube is slowly turning into an almost television like experience in terms of ad counts. Hmm, on your version of youtube are you able to skip parts of the video you find boring? On your TV does watching certain videos serve up more videos in the same vein? If not, then they are nothing alike. > Their AI division doesn't release much of anything on the back of morality concerns. Maybe tensorflow doesn't mean much to you, but I bet others would be thankful for its release. Besides they have no obligation to release any new AI development to the public. This is just your personal expectation of them. > Their phones have all been pretty buggy. Every phone is buggy compared to Apple, but their own phones are significantly less buggy than 3rd party android phones. Have you used an Oppo or Xiaomi phone? > Google cloud is third fiddle to aws and azure Not sure this is relavant. This probably highlights more of the other two's strength's rather than GCP's weakness. Personally for new projects I use GCP over AWS for various reasons. > In the absence of growth they'll squeeze everything they can. Their customers and their employees, and they will slowly die. All companies die.

bioemerl 4y ago
This seems really defensive and has a lot of misdirection. Yes, all companies will die, but Google appears to be over that hill. That's significant. Google should be able to make amazing phone hardware, not praised because they do better than cheap bottom dollar phone companies. Tensorflow isn't a product. It's a very good library, but with Google's prowess something like stable diffusion wouldn't exist. Imagine Google search being able to generate the image you're looking for, for example. And television is worse than YouTube, but they're slowly adding ads and it's getting more obnoxious over time. The natural endpoint is that there are so many ads people just leave the platform. And Google is the biggest website in the world. They're failing to enter new markets. Aws and azure shouldn't be stronger than Google is, and it's a sign they aren't able to compete. It's common practice to append reddit to Google searches to find what you want. That shouldn't happen either. Failure and flaw after failure and flaw. You can't keep up that way forever, and I haven't seen signs that they are turning around
- intev 4y ago
  It's defensive in comparison to your initial diatribe. You equated them to IBM. Maybe they will be IBM in 10 years if things don't improve, but for now they are pretty far from it. Not sure what misdirection you are referring to. Your reply right here primarily talks about how they haven't met your expectation. That's very different from declaring a company is on the verge of becoming a dinosaur. > The natural endpoint is that there are so many ads people just leave the platform. Assuming that no one on google is looking at their viewership data and don't notice the "leaving". If that happens I'm sure they days as a notoriously data driven company is over and they will in fact die on all fronts. But for now they still show signs of experimenting, however minor, in all the major products they have. > It's common practice to append reddit to Google searches to find what you want. That shouldn't happen either. This is for a extremely specific query type. I do it only when I am looking for people's opinions on certain things, and is certainly not something I do every day. I know lots of others who don't do this either, especially the millions of non reddit users. > Aws and azure shouldn't be stronger than Google is, and it's a sign they aren't able to compete. Yea, primarily because GCP has the worst corporate sales team. AWS and Azure routinely do conferences and meet and greets with dev communities and are constantly pushing their product. Azure especially. I would squarely put the fault there rather than the product itself. GCP has a significantly cleaner interface than AWS and can do almost anything AWS/Azure can do. Other than the "specialty" products of course.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    > AWS and Azure routinely do conferences and meet and greets with dev communities and are constantly pushing their product So you think its because of marketing. Not because of something else... https://steve-yegge.medium.com/dear-google-cloud-your-deprecation-policy-is-killing-you-ee7525dc05dc https://steve-yegge.medium.com/dear-google-cloud-your-deprec...
- scarface74 4y ago
  Disclaimer: I work at AWS in Professional Services and I’ve work with AWS and Microsoft (less so Azure) on the other side as a dev lead as a customer. Cloud and the enterprise is very high touch and requires understanding the customer and meeting them where they are and not try to convince them of the “one true way”. It also requires respecting the customers business processes and understanding the politics of any large organization. I have no opinions about GCP and even if I did, it would be gauche to criticize a competitor. I’ve never had a reason to have any dependency on anything Google as part of my work. Google itself doesn’t have the DNA that is required to work with the enterprise. Microsoft has been building those competencies since the mid 80s and AWS has first mover advantage. It’s also the same reason that Google struggles with consumer products compared to Apple. Apple has spent decades selling to consumers, having human customer service, a network of Apple Stores, etc.

by intev 4y ago

bioemerl 4y ago

This seems really defensive and has a lot of misdirection. Yes, all companies will die, but Google appears to be over that hill. That's significant. Google should be able to make amazing phone hardware, not praised because they do better than cheap bottom dollar phone companies. Tensorflow isn't a product. It's a very good library, but with Google's prowess something like stable diffusion wouldn't exist. Imagine Google search being able to generate the image you're looking for, for example. And television is worse than YouTube, but they're slowly adding ads and it's getting more obnoxious over time. The natural endpoint is that there are so many ads people just leave the platform. And Google is the biggest website in the world. They're failing to enter new markets. Aws and azure shouldn't be stronger than Google is, and it's a sign they aren't able to compete. It's common practice to append reddit to Google searches to find what you want. That shouldn't happen either. Failure and flaw after failure and flaw. You can't keep up that way forever, and I haven't seen signs that they are turning around

intev 4y ago
It's defensive in comparison to your initial diatribe. You equated them to IBM. Maybe they will be IBM in 10 years if things don't improve, but for now they are pretty far from it. Not sure what misdirection you are referring to. Your reply right here primarily talks about how they haven't met your expectation. That's very different from declaring a company is on the verge of becoming a dinosaur. > The natural endpoint is that there are so many ads people just leave the platform. Assuming that no one on google is looking at their viewership data and don't notice the "leaving". If that happens I'm sure they days as a notoriously data driven company is over and they will in fact die on all fronts. But for now they still show signs of experimenting, however minor, in all the major products they have. > It's common practice to append reddit to Google searches to find what you want. That shouldn't happen either. This is for a extremely specific query type. I do it only when I am looking for people's opinions on certain things, and is certainly not something I do every day. I know lots of others who don't do this either, especially the millions of non reddit users. > Aws and azure shouldn't be stronger than Google is, and it's a sign they aren't able to compete. Yea, primarily because GCP has the worst corporate sales team. AWS and Azure routinely do conferences and meet and greets with dev communities and are constantly pushing their product. Azure especially. I would squarely put the fault there rather than the product itself. GCP has a significantly cleaner interface than AWS and can do almost anything AWS/Azure can do. Other than the "specialty" products of course.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > AWS and Azure routinely do conferences and meet and greets with dev communities and are constantly pushing their product So you think its because of marketing. Not because of something else... https://steve-yegge.medium.com/dear-google-cloud-your-deprecation-policy-is-killing-you-ee7525dc05dc https://steve-yegge.medium.com/dear-google-cloud-your-deprec...
scarface74 4y ago
Disclaimer: I work at AWS in Professional Services and I’ve work with AWS and Microsoft (less so Azure) on the other side as a dev lead as a customer. Cloud and the enterprise is very high touch and requires understanding the customer and meeting them where they are and not try to convince them of the “one true way”. It also requires respecting the customers business processes and understanding the politics of any large organization. I have no opinions about GCP and even if I did, it would be gauche to criticize a competitor. I’ve never had a reason to have any dependency on anything Google as part of my work. Google itself doesn’t have the DNA that is required to work with the enterprise. Microsoft has been building those competencies since the mid 80s and AWS has first mover advantage. It’s also the same reason that Google struggles with consumer products compared to Apple. Apple has spent decades selling to consumers, having human customer service, a network of Apple Stores, etc.