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>Even better would be to plug the car in at all times when parked either at work or home and it just charges when the rate is cheapest. 99% of people have a fi

>Even better would be to plug the car in at all times when parked either at work or home and it just charges when the rate is cheapest. 99% of people have a fixed rate 24/7/365. I live in NYC and I'm not even sure if it's possible for me to pay time of use rates. The time of day that electricity is cheapest is... all the time. I sincerely doubt there is any public or political will to change this engrained billing method. People will not willingly change their habits, and any politician proposing reducing quality of life will just get thrown out

denimnerd42 4y ago
In Texas right now you can get two meters to your home. One meter you use a fixed rate plan and the other meter you use a "wholesale" plus fee type plan, infamous example being Griddy. When the rate is nearly free you enable the outlet that charges your car. Of course hiring an electrician and all of that would probably have a long payback period.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  That's one of those things that works great if you use a huge amount of power. The fixed rate cost of charging for my commute would probably be less than the connection fee for the 2nd meter. In that scenario it wouldn't pay off it all (and of course you wouldn't bother doing it).
  - bombcar 4y ago
    That may be true now but if we develop meters with dual outputs it wouldn’t be much more than the normal box setup. But if we’re doing that might as well make it so it can pull from the car if needed and turn it into a powerwall.
ThatPlayer 4y ago
California's electricity has been mandated to switch to TOU since 2015: https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/industries-and-topics/electrical-energy/electric-rates/residential-rate-reform-r-12-06-013 https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/industries-and-topics/electrical-ene...
- frumper 4y ago
  I live in California and have never had TOU at my residence. I do have TOU options that just haven't been very good choices for my family.
- parkingrift 4y ago
  I couldn't find data more recent than 2017, but as of 2017 fewer than 4% of utility customers were using time of use billing.
  - ThatPlayer 4y ago
    Actual migration is more recent than that in California. Looks like PG&E started migrating customers to TOU (unless they chose to stay on the old plan) this year: https://www.yahoo.com/now/eligible-pg-e-customers-moving-061300798.html https://www.yahoo.com/now/eligible-pg-e-customers-moving-061... Similarly for SoCal Edison, last year: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/socal-edison-moving-customers-to-new-time-of-use-rate-plans-that-will-charge-more-between-4-9-p-m/ https://ktla.com/news/local-news/socal-edison-moving-custome...

denimnerd42 4y ago

In Texas right now you can get two meters to your home. One meter you use a fixed rate plan and the other meter you use a "wholesale" plus fee type plan, infamous example being Griddy. When the rate is nearly free you enable the outlet that charges your car. Of course hiring an electrician and all of that would probably have a long payback period.

maxerickson 4y ago
That's one of those things that works great if you use a huge amount of power. The fixed rate cost of charging for my commute would probably be less than the connection fee for the 2nd meter. In that scenario it wouldn't pay off it all (and of course you wouldn't bother doing it).
- bombcar 4y ago
  That may be true now but if we develop meters with dual outputs it wouldn’t be much more than the normal box setup. But if we’re doing that might as well make it so it can pull from the car if needed and turn it into a powerwall.

ThatPlayer 4y ago

California's electricity has been mandated to switch to TOU since 2015: https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/industries-and-topics/electrical-energy/electric-rates/residential-rate-reform-r-12-06-013 https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/industries-and-topics/electrical-ene...

frumper 4y ago
I live in California and have never had TOU at my residence. I do have TOU options that just haven't been very good choices for my family.
parkingrift 4y ago
I couldn't find data more recent than 2017, but as of 2017 fewer than 4% of utility customers were using time of use billing.
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  Actual migration is more recent than that in California. Looks like PG&E started migrating customers to TOU (unless they chose to stay on the old plan) this year: https://www.yahoo.com/now/eligible-pg-e-customers-moving-061300798.html https://www.yahoo.com/now/eligible-pg-e-customers-moving-061... Similarly for SoCal Edison, last year: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/socal-edison-moving-customers-to-new-time-of-use-rate-plans-that-will-charge-more-between-4-9-p-m/ https://ktla.com/news/local-news/socal-edison-moving-custome...