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On a related note: Is there anyone working on a faster tsc? I know there's esbuild and swc, but those only transpile, they don't type-check.

martpie 4y ago
Rome (written in Rust) is trying to be a faster tsc (amongst other things, like a faster webpack, babel, prettier, etc) https://rome.tools/#development-status https://rome.tools/#development-status
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- e1g 4y ago
  Rome’s journey is effectively over - the founders couldn’t make it work after raising a VC round, and I wouldn’t expect it to go GA.
  - jquery_dev 4y ago
    What do you mean by "make it work"? They've raised 4.5M last year, did they just burn through that?
    - lazlo_kovacs 4y ago
      It appears from their repo that they have 5-6 people working full time on this. Assuming about 250k per developer that puts their burn at 6 * 250k = 1.5 million a year. So yeah they have some time. Although I would be severely concerned at their progress considering it’s already been a year and they don’t seem to have shipped much. No proof of PMF or any sort of revenue with over a third of their runway depleted should have them hustling to get on the boards.
  - dsmmcken 4y ago
    The repo still looks pretty active, which seems contrary to your statement.
    - e1g 4y ago
      If you're looking for evidence in the public repo, consider what's not in there: one co-founder is missing, and so are the commits from the other author/co-founder for over a year. Not the signals you want in a dev-tooling project.
      - pohl 4y ago
        Or you could look to see if new work is being released. Most recent one was just 17 days ago. https://twitter.com/rometools/status/1567169157891776514 https://twitter.com/rometools/status/1567169157891776514
        lazlo_kovacs 4y ago
        Except how many users do they have? If I were a VC fund looking to give them another round, I’d want to know their metrics, whether that’s users, downloads, or revenue. Judging by their blog, it’s been a year since they raised the money. Have they produced anything other than a bunch of code? Because code isn’t worth much without users.
      - ricardobeat 4y ago
        I found it interesting that a good chunk of outside contributions[1] happened before funding, and have almost completely stopped. [1] https://github.com/rome/tools/graphs/contributors https://github.com/rome/tools/graphs/contributors
kidfiji 4y ago
Yep! The person who started swc is doing just that: https://kdy1.dev/posts/2022/1/tsc-go https://kdy1.dev/posts/2022/1/tsc-go
zamalek 4y ago
We also need a faster language server. Inference (e.g.[1]) is one of the greatest features of TS, but we're told not to use it. [1]: https://trpc.io/ https://trpc.io/
- psnehanshu 4y ago
  I absolutely love tRPC.
Vinnl 4y ago
It was just an experiment, but this person was (and is still doing related stuff): https://twitter.com/MarcJSchmidt/status/1551961839394865152 https://twitter.com/MarcJSchmidt/status/1551961839394865152 (and an example: https://twitter.com/MarcJSchmidt/status/1552781654065905664 https://twitter.com/MarcJSchmidt/status/1552781654065905664)
WorldMaker 4y ago
Based on the release notes, the Typescript team is working on faster type-checking as continuous goal and has many big long-term irons in that fire. Though a lot of the more recent work has gotten into the performance of projects already scaled into project references and incremental builds, so it may not yet be obvious how much work has gone into performance if you consider your projects small/medium-sized. It can sometimes be quite an effort to refactor a medium sized project into project references with incremental builds and there's currently no obvious moment where Typescript knows to tell you "you've got a 'large' project now, if you split this workspace into multiple tsconfig projects that smartly reference each other and switched to incremental build flags you'd get a bunch of performance improvements". So that's still a matter of figuring it out for your own projects if you can take advantage of that (and how you would take advantage of that).

martpie 4y ago

Rome (written in Rust) is trying to be a faster tsc (amongst other things, like a faster webpack, babel, prettier, etc) https://rome.tools/#development-status https://rome.tools/#development-status

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e1g 4y ago
Rome’s journey is effectively over - the founders couldn’t make it work after raising a VC round, and I wouldn’t expect it to go GA.
- jquery_dev 4y ago
  What do you mean by "make it work"? They've raised 4.5M last year, did they just burn through that?
  - lazlo_kovacs 4y ago
    It appears from their repo that they have 5-6 people working full time on this. Assuming about 250k per developer that puts their burn at 6 * 250k = 1.5 million a year. So yeah they have some time. Although I would be severely concerned at their progress considering it’s already been a year and they don’t seem to have shipped much. No proof of PMF or any sort of revenue with over a third of their runway depleted should have them hustling to get on the boards.
- dsmmcken 4y ago
  The repo still looks pretty active, which seems contrary to your statement.
  - e1g 4y ago
    If you're looking for evidence in the public repo, consider what's not in there: one co-founder is missing, and so are the commits from the other author/co-founder for over a year. Not the signals you want in a dev-tooling project.
    - pohl 4y ago
      Or you could look to see if new work is being released. Most recent one was just 17 days ago. https://twitter.com/rometools/status/1567169157891776514 https://twitter.com/rometools/status/1567169157891776514
      - lazlo_kovacs 4y ago
        Except how many users do they have? If I were a VC fund looking to give them another round, I’d want to know their metrics, whether that’s users, downloads, or revenue. Judging by their blog, it’s been a year since they raised the money. Have they produced anything other than a bunch of code? Because code isn’t worth much without users.
    - ricardobeat 4y ago
      I found it interesting that a good chunk of outside contributions[1] happened before funding, and have almost completely stopped. [1] https://github.com/rome/tools/graphs/contributors https://github.com/rome/tools/graphs/contributors

kidfiji 4y ago

Yep! The person who started swc is doing just that: https://kdy1.dev/posts/2022/1/tsc-go https://kdy1.dev/posts/2022/1/tsc-go

zamalek 4y ago

We also need a faster language server. Inference (e.g.[1]) is one of the greatest features of TS, but we're told not to use it. [1]: https://trpc.io/ https://trpc.io/

psnehanshu 4y ago
I absolutely love tRPC.

Vinnl 4y ago

It was just an experiment, but this person was (and is still doing related stuff): https://twitter.com/MarcJSchmidt/status/1551961839394865152 https://twitter.com/MarcJSchmidt/status/1551961839394865152 (and an example: https://twitter.com/MarcJSchmidt/status/1552781654065905664 https://twitter.com/MarcJSchmidt/status/1552781654065905664)

WorldMaker 4y ago

Based on the release notes, the Typescript team is working on faster type-checking as continuous goal and has many big long-term irons in that fire. Though a lot of the more recent work has gotten into the performance of projects already scaled into project references and incremental builds, so it may not yet be obvious how much work has gone into performance if you consider your projects small/medium-sized. It can sometimes be quite an effort to refactor a medium sized project into project references with incremental builds and there's currently no obvious moment where Typescript knows to tell you "you've got a 'large' project now, if you split this workspace into multiple tsconfig projects that smartly reference each other and switched to incremental build flags you'd get a bunch of performance improvements". So that's still a matter of figuring it out for your own projects if you can take advantage of that (and how you would take advantage of that).