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> ironic that big tech started off with the idea of being better than large corporations of the time only to end up as a bureaucratic hell itself. This is the

> ironic that big tech started off with the idea of being better than large corporations of the time only to end up as a bureaucratic hell itself. This is the lifecycle of all corporations. Before Google and Facebook we had Yahoo and Myspace. Now TikTok is doing the same thing and Sundar and Zuckerberg are crying about it. They shot themselves in the foot de-platforming and censor content creators. Those creators were welcomed with open arms by Google and Facebook competitors. I see more and more creators pushing their YouTube and Instagram audiences over to Rumble or TikTok. Clearly it's starting to be a real problem for the bottom line. Before you say TikTok does the same, that's true, but it's not the point. Creators don't like having to walk on eggshells if they can avoid it.

scarface74 4y ago
Yes I’m sure that Google is going to lose billions because it deplatformed some fringe folks. If they were such a powerful voice, Truth Social wouldn’t be struggling.
- infamouscow 4y ago
  First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. The inescapable fact of the matter is TikTok is eating Instagram's lunch. I bet we'll see Rumble do the same to YouTube in a year or two.
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- unity1001 4y ago
  > Yes I’m sure that Google is going to lose billions because it deplatformed some fringe folks. In the long run, yes. Because what's defined as 'fringe' and undesirable can change any moment like it had in the past with changing governments and corporate sentiment, and the next 'fringe' group may be a group that you are in. Even if it feels like that would be nigh on impossible at this moment.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    If QAnon, election deniers, and their backers - including the former President - becomes mainstream, we are all in deep shit. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/qanon-trump-conspiracy-theories https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/qanon-trump-conspiracy-the...
    - infamouscow 4y ago
      So an idea can only be mainstream if you deem it acceptable? I guess we should get rid of voting while we're at it, since clearly your views are the only ones that matter.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Well, if you check out what’s going on in many Red states where the officials are trying to pass laws that give the government the power to overturn elections, where the former President tried to convince the Secretary of State in GA to “find votes”, and where he was trying to get the VP not to certify the election results, it’s already happening. Unless you also believe that Trump is facing down a shadowy cabal of Democratic pedophiles with headquarters below a pizza shop.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      Some other group does not need to be mainstream for a group that you belong to be declared fringe or undesirable. That can easily happen with slightly changing public opinion, a different faction taking the government with a slight vote margin and many other factors.
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  The problem with deplatforming the fringe is that fringe is not measured in absolute terms. It's measured in relative terms. After the fringe group gets removed, the Overton Window shifts and a new group becomes fringe. Eventually what is fringe gets too close to the average group of people, and they start getting wary.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Should Facebook not ban post on voting misinformation? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-election-exclusive-idUSKCN1MP2G9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-election-exclusi...
    - infamouscow 4y ago
      Facebook can't accurately identify "misinformation", but you think they're qualified to be the arbiters of what's true? Give me a break. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532
      - scarface74 4y ago
        You mean Facebook can’t tell misinformation like “the election date has been changed?” Are you really comparing the laptop of Biden’s son to spreading lies about voting eligibility, voting places, etc?
        infamouscow 4y ago
        Every argument in support of censorship boils down to trying to hide the truth, or a belief people can't be trusted to think for themselves. In your example, replying with a link to vote.gov would not only provide accurate counterfactual information, but help indicate to everyone that the source may not be reliable. Censorship is like pouring gasoline onto a fire because you have no water, or refuse to believe water extinguishes fires. Good ideas counter bad ideas. I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to grasp.

scarface74 4y ago

Yes I’m sure that Google is going to lose billions because it deplatformed some fringe folks. If they were such a powerful voice, Truth Social wouldn’t be struggling.

infamouscow 4y ago
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. The inescapable fact of the matter is TikTok is eating Instagram's lunch. I bet we'll see Rumble do the same to YouTube in a year or two.
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unity1001 4y ago
> Yes I’m sure that Google is going to lose billions because it deplatformed some fringe folks. In the long run, yes. Because what's defined as 'fringe' and undesirable can change any moment like it had in the past with changing governments and corporate sentiment, and the next 'fringe' group may be a group that you are in. Even if it feels like that would be nigh on impossible at this moment.
- scarface74 4y ago
  If QAnon, election deniers, and their backers - including the former President - becomes mainstream, we are all in deep shit. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/qanon-trump-conspiracy-theories https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/qanon-trump-conspiracy-the...
  - infamouscow 4y ago
    So an idea can only be mainstream if you deem it acceptable? I guess we should get rid of voting while we're at it, since clearly your views are the only ones that matter.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Well, if you check out what’s going on in many Red states where the officials are trying to pass laws that give the government the power to overturn elections, where the former President tried to convince the Secretary of State in GA to “find votes”, and where he was trying to get the VP not to certify the election results, it’s already happening. Unless you also believe that Trump is facing down a shadowy cabal of Democratic pedophiles with headquarters below a pizza shop.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    Some other group does not need to be mainstream for a group that you belong to be declared fringe or undesirable. That can easily happen with slightly changing public opinion, a different faction taking the government with a slight vote margin and many other factors.
xboxnolifes 4y ago
The problem with deplatforming the fringe is that fringe is not measured in absolute terms. It's measured in relative terms. After the fringe group gets removed, the Overton Window shifts and a new group becomes fringe. Eventually what is fringe gets too close to the average group of people, and they start getting wary.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Should Facebook not ban post on voting misinformation? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-election-exclusive-idUSKCN1MP2G9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-election-exclusi...
  - infamouscow 4y ago
    Facebook can't accurately identify "misinformation", but you think they're qualified to be the arbiters of what's true? Give me a break. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532
    - scarface74 4y ago
      You mean Facebook can’t tell misinformation like “the election date has been changed?” Are you really comparing the laptop of Biden’s son to spreading lies about voting eligibility, voting places, etc?
      - infamouscow 4y ago
        Every argument in support of censorship boils down to trying to hide the truth, or a belief people can't be trusted to think for themselves. In your example, replying with a link to vote.gov would not only provide accurate counterfactual information, but help indicate to everyone that the source may not be reliable. Censorship is like pouring gasoline onto a fire because you have no water, or refuse to believe water extinguishes fires. Good ideas counter bad ideas. I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to grasp.