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Sin is a heart issue. There are only two choices on the shelf: Pleasing God, or pleasing self.

by imchillyb 4y ago

Viliam1234 4y ago
Are you suggesting that God is completely opposed to everything we value?
- DHPersonal 4y ago
  There are so many different versions of Christianity that it would be extremely likely to receive contradictory answers to your question.
  - Viliam1234 4y ago
    I am most curious about the ones who worship Evil God (the one who literally hates everything that humans consider good).
    - spywaregorilla 4y ago
      Sithrak, perhaps
- PubliusMI 4y ago
  In fact, I am certain every inclination of the human heart is evil from birth.
  - Shared404 4y ago
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2018:3&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2018:3&... That doesn't appear to check out biblicaly, or from any logical perspective I can think of.
    - krapp 4y ago
      I mean... The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. Genesis 6:5 The Lord has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one. Psalm 14:3 What is man, that he can be pure? Or he who is born of a woman, that he can be righteous? Behold, God puts no trust in his holy ones, and the heavens are not pure in his sight; how much less one who is abominable and corrupt, a man who drinks injustice like water! Job 15:14
      - Shared404 4y ago
        The first two references use phrasing of "had become" or "have all turned aside" - you cannot become something without first being something else, or turn aside from something without having originally been facing it. The third reference is stating that no one is capable of perfection, and that no one can earn their way back to God - but impurity only requires that someone not be perfect, not that they have no good. To be clear, my argument is not that humanity is 100% good because clearly that's not the case. My argument is simply that there is natural good in humanity as well, and most people have more of it as children than after it's beaten out of them as adults. That is just my reading of course, and I am no expert.
- krapp 4y ago
  Why do you think God refers to himself as a jealous God? What do you think God is jealous of? The only thing that can be denied or taken from him - love from beings with (ostensible) free will.

Sin is a heart issue. There are only two choices on the shelf: Pleasing God, or pleasing self.

Viliam1234 4y ago

Are you suggesting that God is completely opposed to everything we value?

DHPersonal 4y ago
There are so many different versions of Christianity that it would be extremely likely to receive contradictory answers to your question.
- Viliam1234 4y ago
  I am most curious about the ones who worship Evil God (the one who literally hates everything that humans consider good).
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    Sithrak, perhaps
PubliusMI 4y ago
In fact, I am certain every inclination of the human heart is evil from birth.
- Shared404 4y ago
  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2018:3&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2018:3&... That doesn't appear to check out biblicaly, or from any logical perspective I can think of.
  - krapp 4y ago
    I mean... The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. Genesis 6:5 The Lord has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one. Psalm 14:3 What is man, that he can be pure? Or he who is born of a woman, that he can be righteous? Behold, God puts no trust in his holy ones, and the heavens are not pure in his sight; how much less one who is abominable and corrupt, a man who drinks injustice like water! Job 15:14
    - Shared404 4y ago
      The first two references use phrasing of "had become" or "have all turned aside" - you cannot become something without first being something else, or turn aside from something without having originally been facing it. The third reference is stating that no one is capable of perfection, and that no one can earn their way back to God - but impurity only requires that someone not be perfect, not that they have no good. To be clear, my argument is not that humanity is 100% good because clearly that's not the case. My argument is simply that there is natural good in humanity as well, and most people have more of it as children than after it's beaten out of them as adults. That is just my reading of course, and I am no expert.
krapp 4y ago
Why do you think God refers to himself as a jealous God? What do you think God is jealous of? The only thing that can be denied or taken from him - love from beings with (ostensible) free will.