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Vivaldi is sort of the spiritual successor to Opera and Opera had those things built in and by the sounds of it, some people really enjoyed that. Just because

by selykg 4y ago

Vivaldi is sort of the spiritual successor to Opera and Opera had those things built in and by the sounds of it, some people really enjoyed that. Just because you might not be interested does not mean others aren't.

drcongo 4y ago
I get that, but that doesn't really answer the "why". I also wouldn't buy a fridge that had a built-in toaster.
- majou 4y ago
  How about a water dispenser and ice machine? Mail and Calendar apps are mostly used from the browser now anwyay.
  - drcongo 4y ago
    Cold water and ice being dispensed from a thing that makes things cold? Makes sense.
- rickstanley 4y ago
  Your "why" is exactly what selykg answered. To paraphrase: there are some people that would like the convenience to have calendar and e-mail client in their browser, just because it's already there and maybe intersects with the workflow. A niche? Maybe, but there's always someone.
  - drcongo 4y ago
    I guess the thing that's baffling me then is how they got there in the first place.
    - unethical_ban 4y ago
      In the 90s, the Internet was seen differently. The core functions - email! Shopping! Message boards! - were thought of as the pillars of what made up the World Wide Web. And so AOL and Netscape and others bundled the software into suites, where you got all your Internet stuff done. Mozilla used to be this way in its early days, before the web browser branched to Firefox. Opera did it, too, and Vivaldi is a spiritual successor to Opera. I switched to Vivaldi on Android because I didn't want to use Chrome, but Firefox on Android was doing two things that annoyed me: Reloading tabs when I navigate back to them after a long time ( which is a delay at best or loses the page state at worst) and as of six months ago, the screen would stutter when scrolling through pages like the New York Times. Anyway, I tried Vivaldi mobile and liked it, then decided I might like the sync features between desktop and mobile, so I now use it on desktop. And then I decided to try their mail client, which "just works" for me and my light usage. I already have the browser up all the time, so I hit F4 and check my mail.
      - coldacid 4y ago
        Mozilla was like this too because it was (initially) the open sourced Netscape code, at least until they decided to throw most of it away and start over.
- infinityplus1 4y ago
  How about a gaming console with a built-in chicken warmer? https://landing.coolermaster.com/kfconsole/ https://landing.coolermaster.com/kfconsole/
  - drcongo 4y ago
    Now we're talking.
- Terretta 4y ago
  > I also wouldn't buy a fridge that had a built-in toaster. Storing food and transforming food are not the same activity. However, "trivection" ovens that use 3 kinds of eat and also microwave or toast are increasingly popular, because people very much like one thing that does several related things. (EDIT: Same story as the water + ice you agreed with below.) "Get my stuff that's online" or "do things online" is one of those same-headspace things large percentages of boomers grew up doing in one place (AOL, then Mozilla suite, Opera, etc.), and "portals" perpetuated today by Google and Microsoft except as web apps in browsers (Edge, Chrome) trying to be the portal wrapping the web apps, which the same people tend to hate. So Vivaldi gives the "one place" that works "one way" but doesn't feel like a weird web app you accidentally close a tab and lose everything.

by selykg 4y ago

drcongo 4y ago

I get that, but that doesn't really answer the "why". I also wouldn't buy a fridge that had a built-in toaster.

majou 4y ago
How about a water dispenser and ice machine? Mail and Calendar apps are mostly used from the browser now anwyay.
- drcongo 4y ago
  Cold water and ice being dispensed from a thing that makes things cold? Makes sense.
rickstanley 4y ago
Your "why" is exactly what selykg answered. To paraphrase: there are some people that would like the convenience to have calendar and e-mail client in their browser, just because it's already there and maybe intersects with the workflow. A niche? Maybe, but there's always someone.
- drcongo 4y ago
  I guess the thing that's baffling me then is how they got there in the first place.
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    In the 90s, the Internet was seen differently. The core functions - email! Shopping! Message boards! - were thought of as the pillars of what made up the World Wide Web. And so AOL and Netscape and others bundled the software into suites, where you got all your Internet stuff done. Mozilla used to be this way in its early days, before the web browser branched to Firefox. Opera did it, too, and Vivaldi is a spiritual successor to Opera. I switched to Vivaldi on Android because I didn't want to use Chrome, but Firefox on Android was doing two things that annoyed me: Reloading tabs when I navigate back to them after a long time ( which is a delay at best or loses the page state at worst) and as of six months ago, the screen would stutter when scrolling through pages like the New York Times. Anyway, I tried Vivaldi mobile and liked it, then decided I might like the sync features between desktop and mobile, so I now use it on desktop. And then I decided to try their mail client, which "just works" for me and my light usage. I already have the browser up all the time, so I hit F4 and check my mail.
    - coldacid 4y ago
      Mozilla was like this too because it was (initially) the open sourced Netscape code, at least until they decided to throw most of it away and start over.
infinityplus1 4y ago
How about a gaming console with a built-in chicken warmer? https://landing.coolermaster.com/kfconsole/ https://landing.coolermaster.com/kfconsole/
- drcongo 4y ago
  Now we're talking.
Terretta 4y ago
> I also wouldn't buy a fridge that had a built-in toaster. Storing food and transforming food are not the same activity. However, "trivection" ovens that use 3 kinds of eat and also microwave or toast are increasingly popular, because people very much like one thing that does several related things. (EDIT: Same story as the water + ice you agreed with below.) "Get my stuff that's online" or "do things online" is one of those same-headspace things large percentages of boomers grew up doing in one place (AOL, then Mozilla suite, Opera, etc.), and "portals" perpetuated today by Google and Microsoft except as web apps in browsers (Edge, Chrome) trying to be the portal wrapping the web apps, which the same people tend to hate. So Vivaldi gives the "one place" that works "one way" but doesn't feel like a weird web app you accidentally close a tab and lose everything.