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This is true -- and I'm sure you mean Hoffmann -- but "better at home" is easier to accomplish if you prefer brewed or filter coffee. If you want an espresso-b

This is true -- and I'm sure you mean Hoffmann -- but "better at home" is easier to accomplish if you prefer brewed or filter coffee. If you want an espresso-based drink, cost or kitchen space can make it much easier to just cultivate a relationship with a good shop (ideally, one that doesn't even OWN blenders).

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ehnto 4y ago
What you want is a Moka Pot, very cheap, perfectly capable. It's how espresso was brought to many countries, including Australia. Migrating Italian's/europeans would bring their Moka Pot's with them, and out of those communities espresso would be in the cafes and the rest is history. Especially here in Australia, where there is nothing but espresso coffee or tea.
- intrasight 4y ago
  I switched from drip to a moka pot after visiting my sister in Italy, and It's all that I've used now for three years.
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  Moka pot coffee is its own thing. It is NOT the same as a good shot of espresso pulled from a proper espresso machine. I know people say this, but it's a different flavor profile even with the same beans and careful attention to grind. I really dislike it, in fact. If I can't have a proper espresso, I'll drink pour over.
  - ehnto 4y ago
    It is the same process, but variance in execution would get you different tastes, as in time and pressure variances compared to an esspresso machine. Moka ppts are also not very uniform in their execution. Heated water is forced through a cup of grounds at high pressure though, just like an espresso machine. Pour over is a very different process to espresso, though it might suit your preference compared to what you get from your Moka pot.
    - ubermonkey 4y ago
      It's only the "same process" by a gross oversimplification -- ie, yes, you put ground coffee and hot water together with some pressure. Moka pots provide very little in the way of control vs. a proper espresso machine, and at best produce only about 20% of the pressure. The result is a VASTLY different beverage. By your logic, an Aeropress is also "the same process" since it's forcing water through grounds under pressure, but nobody would call that espresso, either. I adore proper espresso, but I have never enjoyed Moka pot coffee. I also adore pour-over coffee, but no one would mistake any filter-coffee process for espresso.

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ehnto 4y ago

What you want is a Moka Pot, very cheap, perfectly capable. It's how espresso was brought to many countries, including Australia. Migrating Italian's/europeans would bring their Moka Pot's with them, and out of those communities espresso would be in the cafes and the rest is history. Especially here in Australia, where there is nothing but espresso coffee or tea.

intrasight 4y ago
I switched from drip to a moka pot after visiting my sister in Italy, and It's all that I've used now for three years.
ubermonkey 4y ago
Moka pot coffee is its own thing. It is NOT the same as a good shot of espresso pulled from a proper espresso machine. I know people say this, but it's a different flavor profile even with the same beans and careful attention to grind. I really dislike it, in fact. If I can't have a proper espresso, I'll drink pour over.
- ehnto 4y ago
  It is the same process, but variance in execution would get you different tastes, as in time and pressure variances compared to an esspresso machine. Moka ppts are also not very uniform in their execution. Heated water is forced through a cup of grounds at high pressure though, just like an espresso machine. Pour over is a very different process to espresso, though it might suit your preference compared to what you get from your Moka pot.
  - ubermonkey 4y ago
    It's only the "same process" by a gross oversimplification -- ie, yes, you put ground coffee and hot water together with some pressure. Moka pots provide very little in the way of control vs. a proper espresso machine, and at best produce only about 20% of the pressure. The result is a VASTLY different beverage. By your logic, an Aeropress is also "the same process" since it's forcing water through grounds under pressure, but nobody would call that espresso, either. I adore proper espresso, but I have never enjoyed Moka pot coffee. I also adore pour-over coffee, but no one would mistake any filter-coffee process for espresso.